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Old 03-15-2007, 01:18 PM
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Mr Alicea and J-Roc decided that they were above a request in bold type and size 7 font to edit their photos and comments.

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Old 03-15-2007, 01:32 PM
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No one is going to admit it or confess it but there are a lot of hurt, angry and bitter people towards UPC that go way back . their lashing out is unresolved hurt.

I'm not pointing my finger in Judgment as I too have had some Bad feelings arise towards organization but once I realized it MEN in the organization NOT the Organization itself I no longer made such broad sweeping judgments
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No one is going to admit it or confess it but there are a lot of hurt, angry and bitter people towards UPC that go way back . their lashing out is unresolved hurt.

I'm not pointing my finger in Judgment as I too have had some Bad feelings arise towards organization but once I realized it MEN in the organization NOT the Organization itself I no longer made such broad sweeping judgments
They are welcome to discuss/declare their hurts.... while being civil about it....

Daniel A and J-Roc took it a bit overboard....
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They are welcome to discuss/declare their hurts.... while being civil about it....

Daniel A and J-Roc took it a bit overboard....
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* Why are some folks so set on defending the org at any cost even if means being wrong? Why do they feel they must be vanguards of a man-made institution?
* Why can't some step back and examine issues without trepidation or fear that they may deemed blasphemous?
* Why do some beat the drum of a man made org and forget there is a larger Body?


Don't they have anything better to do with their time?
I mean didn't Paul and Peter get into it ?
Weren't there issues of contention? See Acts 15.

Just curious....
My real thought are the connections....

If they are pastors and have to leave their congregation where will they go?

If they have a small church will they be able to substain and survive?

If they evangelize who do they call?

It is out of fear of the unknown that many feel the need to connect.

The men who have left started relationships before they broke away...

Just my thoughts.....
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No one is going to admit it or confess it but there are a lot of hurt, angry and bitter people towards UPC that go way back . their lashing out is unresolved hurt.

I'm not pointing my finger in Judgment as I too have had some Bad feelings arise towards organization but once I realized it MEN in the organization NOT the Organization itself I no longer made such broad sweeping judgments


Not everyone has a beaten down attitude nor they have been hurt etc.

Many of the men who have left the UPCI or will leave shortly.

Have no problem with many of their friends in the organization.

They have not been hurt nor do they care...

All they want it the leading of the spirtit and the freedom to pursue the call of God.

The hurts usually develope once men who stay in the organization tear those apart for leaving....
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I can be one of the UPCs biggest critics....but I look for constructiveness. There is nothing to defend, but there is nothing to destroy either. There is some things that need to change.

That's the problem with some folks...they either just don't realize it or they do realize it but hide it...that what they are doing is NOT in the interest of fixing something, but is really in the interest of damaging more.
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Not everyone has a beaten down attitude nor they have been hurt etc.

Many of the men who have left the UPCI or will leave shortly.

Have no problem with many of their friends in the organization.

They have not been hurt nor do they care...

All they want it the leading of the spirtit and the freedom to pursue the call of God.

The hurts usually develope once men who stay in the organization tear those apart for leaving....
Or the other way around as it seems to be.......
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Or the other way around as it seems to be.......
Praxes I agree that is a problem as well. What I call I am free docrine. That does nothing to help anyone as well.

You made a good point.
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