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Old 03-20-2008, 09:23 AM
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Gentlemen, it remains very early in this game. Barak will either sink from the current storm he finds himself in or he will survive.

If he survives, he will be stronger for it. That is the nature of politics. AND you can bet that John McCain will not make an issue of this in the general election. It isnt Johns way.

OPCarl, You are dead right on what Obama is.... you said "He's just a Trojan horse variation of the in-your-face activists that have been historically rejected at the voting booth." You could not be more accurate. that Trojan horse activist is a dual type. First we have seen the Jerimiah Wright version, but he is also a hard core leftest trying to come accross as reasonable.

he aint. i still say this is the Dems election to loose.
I hope it is! It looks that way to me, thus far.
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Old 03-20-2008, 09:44 AM
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I hope it is! It looks that way to me, thus far.
Pressing, I can honestly give you a list of reasons why none of the 3 candidates are unelectable. But the reality is, one of them will defy that logic!

the 2 over riding factors are
1. No individual from the same party as a sitting president, who has an approval rating below 50% has won an election

2. No individual from the same party as the sitting president has won an election during a period of economic downturn.

It would take a failure of the highest magnitude for either Hillary or Barak to blow this thing.

The only thing that causes hope for Republicans is that John McCain is seen as the untimate Maverick and thus in general cannot be hung with the "third term" legacy that typically happens.


That fact alone is the only real important thing that provides McCain with any hope at all.

(As an historical note..... George Bush picked a Vice President who would not run for the Presidency. by doing so, he insulated the party from being saddled with the failures of his adminstration. this was a stroke of genious and it goes a long way to helping McCain.)

That being said, the Dems will have to royally mess things up to loose in November.
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Pressing, I can honestly give you a list of reasons why none of the 3 candidates are unelectable. But the reality is, one of them will defy that logic!

the 2 over riding factors are
1. No individual from the same party as a sitting president, who has an approval rating below 50% has won an election

2. No individual from the same party as the sitting president has won an election during a period of economic downturn.

It would take a failure of the highest magnitude for either Hillary or Barak to blow this thing.

The only thing that causes hope for Republicans is that John McCain is seen as the untimate Maverick and thus in general cannot be hung with the "third term" legacy that typically happens.


That fact alone is the only real important thing that provides McCain with any hope at all.

(As an historical note..... George Bush picked a Vice President who would not run for the Presidency. by doing so, he insulated the party from being saddled with the failures of his adminstration. this was a stroke of genious and it goes a long way to helping McCain.)

That being said, the Dems will have to royally mess things up to loose in November.
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Old 03-20-2008, 10:08 AM
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Pressing, I can honestly give you a list of reasons why none of the 3 candidates are unelectable. But the reality is, one of them will defy that logic!

the 2 over riding factors are
1. No individual from the same party as a sitting president, who has an approval rating below 50% has won an election

2. No individual from the same party as the sitting president has won an election during a period of economic downturn.

It would take a failure of the highest magnitude for either Hillary or Barak to blow this thing.

The only thing that causes hope for Republicans is that John McCain is seen as the untimate Maverick and thus in general cannot be hung with the "third term" legacy that typically happens.


That fact alone is the only real important thing that provides McCain with any hope at all.

(As an historical note..... George Bush picked a Vice President who would not run for the Presidency. by doing so, he insulated the party from being saddled with the failures of his adminstration. this was a stroke of genious and it goes a long way to helping McCain.)

That being said, the Dems will have to royally mess things up to loose in November.
Good post!!! You are right.

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I'm still afraid that Obama is going to take the lead, but part of me thinks America feels safe under McCain regardless of some of his policies.
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he aint. i still say this is the Dems election to lose.
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The Challenges for the Democrats at this point lie mostly in dealing with Florida and Michigan and then what happens with the Super Delegates.

It is looking more like these states will not get counted in the voting. That means Hillary cannot catch Barak.

Question one is what does that do to the attitudes of the Party faithful in those states?

Dems cant win without Michigan. Reps cant win without Florida.

Question two is in a brokered convention, will it cause the party to self distruct?

On question 1, the Dems are spinning Florida as the Republicans fault. This has potential to stick. It was a republican legislature and a Republican Governor who decided to move their primary up.

Michigan is a different story. Dems control there. they have no one to blame but themselves.

On question 2, if Barak leads in delegates and popular vote, but the Super delegates pick Hillary it will go bad for the party. young voters who are fickle anyway will be disillusioned. black voters may very well stay home.

if Barak gets the Super Delegates, and wins the nomination, his issue comes from Large Democrat states that have big Union votes. Penn. Michigan, Ohio etc. He has to win all 3 of these states to win the election. these states have been solid Hillary territory.

See, I told you I could give you the reasons none of them can win!
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TR, I have not looked lately but Rassmussen is the Pollster I think is most accurate. He has proven to be more accurate than Gallop (who is also very good).
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....Well I just looked

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

PS this is the most important part

On Thursday, Barack Obama’s favorable ratings are unchanged for the third straight day—48% favorable, 49% unfavorable. McCain is viewed favorably by 53% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 43%. For Clinton, those numbers are 43% favorable, 55% unfavorable
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The Challenges for the Democrats at this point lie mostly in dealing with Florida and Michigan and then what happens with the Super Delegates.

It is looking more like these states will not get counted in the voting. That means Hillary cannot catch Barak.

Question one is what does that do to the attitudes of the Party faithful in those states?

Dems cant win without Michigan. Reps cant win without Florida.

Question two is in a brokered convention, will it cause the party to self distruct?

On question 1, the Dems are spinning Florida as the Republicans fault. This has potential to stick. It was a republican legislature and a Republican Governor who decided to move their primary up.

Michigan is a different story. Dems control there. they have no one to blame but themselves.

On question 2, if Barak leads in delegates and popular vote, but the Super delegates pick Hillary it will go bad for the party. young voters who are fickle anyway will be disillusioned. black voters may very well stay home.

if Barak gets the Super Delegates, and wins the nomination, his issue comes from Large Democrat states that have big Union votes. Penn. Michigan, Ohio etc. He has to win all 3 of these states to win the election. these states have been solid Hillary territory.

See, I told you I could give you the reasons none of them can win!
I'm sure the Super Delegates wouldn't go for Hillary. I believe they know they can't pick Hillary.

The Florida deal (Gore) is still a raw issue for the Dems. This current primary issue feeds that, certainly.
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