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Old 02-25-2008, 05:35 PM
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Re: President Barack Obama!

*disclaimer* (I am an evil evil man) Having said that, I have no problem with torture...I know huh, my wife says I'm weird! But if torture would have stopped 9-11, I say, grab the hose...
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:38 PM
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*disclaimer* (I am an evil evil man) Having said that, I have no problem with torture...I know huh, my wife says I'm weird! But if torture would have stopped 9-11, I say, grab the hose...
*Other than that, I'm a reaaaalllly nice guy*


Yes.. he only uses waterboarding techniques to stop terrorist attacks and off key choir members.
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Old 02-25-2008, 06:23 PM
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I don't know if I characterized it as GREAT.

Bill Clinton was a better orator.

When left w/ the choice between McKain and Obama ... I'll take the one who has stood by his principles.
How can you as a conservative vote for someone whose very agenda is the oposite of a conservative one?
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Old 02-25-2008, 06:27 PM
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Bush didn’t see a Republican bill he didn’t love. He didn’t use veto, even when it would have been good for our country. It’s a symptom of fascist one party rule. Many real Republicans are not patrician hacks, and they’re willing to admit that the Republican party has gone down the road of fascism and extremism. Anyone with a lick of sense can see this.



One party rule without challenge, that’s not “government”…that’s rulership. The President is the nation’s chief executive…Bush used it as a fast track to pass every Republican initiative into law even when it was bad for the American people. They say power corrupts…and the one party rule provided near absolute power and has rendered the current leadership of the Republican party absolutely corrupt.

Fascist one party rule is what the Republicans have given us and wish to build upon in the coming years. They’d make it illegal to be a Democrat if they could. They have a vile fascist globalist agenda. Their real constituents are massive globalized corporations that aim to put the common man out of business until they have aggregated all wealth into their sphere and advance into a fascist world government. The Republican goal is redistribution of wealth…distributing it from the public trust and free market into the massive global corporate conglomerates.
Your rhetoric is not only "ove the top" it is just plain wrong. You show a total lack of understanding of what facism is.

Your post here illustrates exactly my disappontment that so many OP's are caught in the global conspiracy theories and other Black Helicopter garbage.

The Republicans that have governened may not have been exactly what you would like but they have represented less government and less government intervention in peoples lives than the Democrats ever dreamed of.

Republican policies leave the door open for the American dream. It is still small businesses that power America's economy. Democrats would tax small business owners out of existence if they had their choice.
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Old 02-25-2008, 06:28 PM
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Maybe I'm neither Republican or Democrat. Maybe I'm a radical independent. LOL
I have another term but then I would have to ban myself.......
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Old 02-25-2008, 06:35 PM
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Not, Ferd ... you simply tried to disassociate the party from the fascist tag. Both Fascism and communism are not uniquely American ... both models are for the most part European in character ... but ideals have been espoused by many living here for decades ...

McCarthyism ring a bell?

I don't fear labels ... sometimes they are just that ... and sometimes their is a figment of truth in them.
Check me Daniel, I was speaking of the American Conservitives. NOT the republican party! in fact I stated that there ARE Fascists in the Republican party.

McCarthyism is a debate in and of itself. I am not willing to connect it to Fascism. Bad mojo for sure but Fascism? Not willing to say that.

and that bit about Fascism and communism not being uniquely American? well we agree 100%

just dont tag the American Conservitive movement with the fascist lable. we aint it.
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So evidently Ferd doesn't believe that leaders should lead according to the common good? Again he reveals his neo-conservative elitist views. Now the question is....who's good does Ferd prefer government officials work toward? The answer....the good of the globalist corporate elite that run the Republican Party.
There you go Chris, OUT YOURSELF>

There has NEVER been a Republican (which you have claimed to be) who used these words: "the good of the globalist corporate elite that run the Republican Party"


You should feel better, you are OUT LOUD and IN MY FACE! Go Chris!

Now see there, doesnt it feel better to just be a liberal and be proud?


And Chris, I believe the conservitive principles that guide conservitive politicians are best for every single person in the United States.
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Old 02-25-2008, 06:43 PM
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Many would say,

Democrat = Pro-Abortion and Communism.

Then is it safe to say,

Republican = Pro-Torture and Fascism?

Sadly, there isn't a third option. So the only option I can see is to reign in each with the other when they cross the line. And yes, each will cross the line.

My point Ferd is that you're very fast to call Democrats, and those like me who feel they've got a case, Communists and hardline socialists...but my question is...will you defend Republican atrocities? And how do you feel and/or react when you hear Republicans labeled a pro-torture fascists?

LOL! dude, next thing your going to do is start a thread on the next time you will be out with the anarchists protesting globalism and the evil corporate globalist machine that is exploiting workers around the world.

do you still bathe? LOL!

Torture is wrong. Water Boarding is not torture
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And you and Barak are still commies.
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Old 02-25-2008, 07:05 PM
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LOL! dude, next thing your going to do is start a thread on the next time you will be out with the anarchists protesting globalism and the evil corporate globalist machine that is exploiting workers around the world.

do you still bathe? LOL!

Torture is wrong. Water Boarding is not torture
Exactly! drowning somebody would be torture. Making someone feel like they are drowning when in fact they are not and are perfectly safe is not. It is a method of coercion.
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