Why shouldn't I vote for Obama??

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I don't look like a Communist either.

Just give it a few years and you'll get your medals from a "grateful" proletariat. You've already got the suit.

Besides, any relation to Brother Gus Hall? He's from the Warren and Youngstown areas of Ohio. At least that's where he was performing his "Union" duties when the Feds busted him for transporting bomb making materials. Only two plant workers died in the violence and Hall was let off with enough acclaim that he later ran for President 4 times.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Chris, this is why I think you should leave the politics alone for a little while. Ferd has a right to his opinion as well as you, and I must admit, he will eat your lunch so to speak. I don't think that I will cast a vote for anyone in the next election (unless by some miracle Huckabee gets the nomination) as I really don't like the republican party much anymore. I pretty much could care less what other people on this forum think of me, someone else said it (I can't remember who) I do not need anyones validation, well, I PRETTY MUCH AGREE WITH THIS. Do you need Ferds validation? Do you need mine? How about Gods?

I share some of your disappointment; however, remember that there are still lots of local races to be decided. You've got a Congressional seat that comes up and maybe even a Senate seat, not to mention all of the statehouse and local stuff. These people deserve your support - and they will probably be more of a direct impact on your life than any presidential candidate.

Don't sit this one entirely. Your voice needs to be heard!

[ChristopherHall]

pelathais,

You and I both know that there is a wide range of voters who participate in our elections. In the Democratic field of voters you have moderates, center-left, leftists, and far-left individuals. Those on the extreme left of the party do not represent the party as a whole, nor do they represent Obama. Such a claim would be disingenuous.

I live in Dayton Ohio. Lebanon Ohio is a hot bed for the Arian Nation and white supremacist groups. I know of a few folks who regularly vote Republican and who are white supremacists. One even believes in a variant of Serpent Seed Doctrine. But.... I don't have the "documentation" you ask for, nor am I willing to mention their names.

But I do have documentation regarding a man named David Duke. This man is a right-wing white supremacist. These are the affiliations he has:

• Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (founder, 1974);
• National Association for the Advancement of White People (founder, 1980);
• European-American Unity and Rights Organization (founder, 2003);
• enjoys a following in Eastern Europe and Russia, where he lived and toured as a speaker in 2001 and 2002.

Here's what's interesting about him. He entered politics and originally attempted to run as a Democrat. However, the Democrats wouldn't elect him to office to represent them. But...when he ran as a Republican he had some surprising success. LOL Here's an excerpt from an article about the man:

Duke eventually appeared on the ballot in 11 states and received 47,047 votes – one-twentieth of one percent of those cast. Undaunted by the low totals, in January 1989 he joined a field of seven Republicans contesting a seat in the Louisiana State Legislature in Metairie. Despite the opposition to Duke expressed by national Republican leaders, including then-President Bush, voters elected him by a narrow margin. Until the middle of that year, when the practice was publicly exposed, Duke sold extremist literature (including Mein Kampf and The Turner Diaries) from his Metairie legislative office.
http://www.adl.org/learn/ext_us/duke.asp

According to your logic, these left-wing extremists who appear to support Che represent Obama. But if a man like David Duke can be elected to office with Republican support...what does that say about Republicans? LOL

Obviously there are extremes on both sides that don't represent the parties they vote for nor do they officially represent the candidates they support.

The Che flag scandal is nothing but a desperate effort to find something to throw at Obama. I'd hope that any serious politically minded person would be abel to find substantial policy differences explaining why they don't support Obama, without the need of this kind of thing.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Just give it a few years and you'll get your medals from a "grateful" proletariat. You've already got the suit.

Besides, any relation to Brother Gus Hall? He's from the Warren and Youngstown areas of Ohio. At least that's where he was performing his "Union" duties when the Feds busted him for transporting bomb making materials. Only two plant workers died in the violence and Hall was let off with enough acclaim that he later ran for President 4 times.

C'mon dude. Get real. LOL

Hey...send me your address. I'll mail you my response snail mail.

[trickledown]

It really doesn't matter how many ways something is put directly to CH, he has a singular train of thought. He cannot allow himself to be bothered with simple ideas that contradict his beliefs. OP, ferd, eastman, pel, you have all tried along with many others it seems, to get through. The boy doesn't want help. Now he wants to tear down everything that may contradict him. Today he blames the rants he makes on here as therapy for putting up with lieing preachers. I'm not so sure about him anymore. Everything has become personal for him.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by trickledown

It really doesn't matter how many ways something is put directly to CH, he has a singular train of thought. He cannot allow himself to be bothered with simple ideas that contradict his beliefs. OP, ferd, eastman, pel, you have all tried along with many others it seems, to get through. The boy doesn't want help. Now he wants to tear down everything that may contradict him. Today he blames the rants he makes on here as therapy for putting up with lieing preachers. I'm not so sure about him anymore. Everything has become personal for him.

Trickledown,

I feel that I may owe you an explanation. You go by "Trickeldown". You can say, anything....someone could even paint you as a man who is gay and nobody knows you from Adam. But...you'll notice I use my real name...and my picture. I've had the luxury of being confronted in person by an individual who had read things that were mis characterizations of what I said and the things that were said about me on the Apostolic Men's Forum. It wasn't very pretty and though I explained myself as best I could the mis characterizations set this man's opinion of me. So please understand, when my words are taken out of context and twisted to mean something I didn't mean, when I'm called a Communist, a Socialist, a Pro-Abortion Liberal, a Che supporter, etc.....it is personal. This is a public forum. It's like standing up and saying things about someone in a public place. It's my reputation on the line. Though you may not realize it, some of the things said here about me could hinder any ministry opportunities I might have had in the future. So yes, I do take it somewhat personally and in a way some of the untrue things said about me could be classified as slander. I'll be honest with you, if I were using an anonymous screen name as you are....I'd probably care a lot less as to what is said about me. Someone says something about you...you have nothing to loose. Quite the opposite with me.

No hard feelings here. I hope you understand Bro.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I share some of your disappointment; however, remember that there are still lots of local races to be decided. You've got a Congressional seat that comes up and maybe even a Senate seat, not to mention all of the statehouse and local stuff. These people deserve your support - and they will probably be more of a direct impact on your life than any presidential candidate.

Don't sit this one entirely. Your voice needs to be heard!

They deserve my support? Honestly pelathais, they do not represent me anymore. I might go as far as voting for the libertarian party, but I'm pretty much fed up with the political scene. Is not voting the same as voting? Is it okay with you that I vote not to vote? I've said it before and I'll say it again, 300,000,000 Americans and I get stuck with McCain? Obama? Clinton? Nah, I think I'll sit this one out.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

pelathais,

You and I both know that there is a wide range of voters who participate in our elections. In the Democratic field of voters you have moderates, center-left, leftists, and far-left individuals. Those on the extreme left of the party do not represent the party as a whole, nor do they represent Obama. Such a claim would be disingenuous.

I live in Dayton Ohio. Lebanon Ohio is a hot bed for the Arian Nation and white supremacist groups. I know of a few folks who regularly vote Republican and who are white supremacists. One even believes in a variant of Serpent Seed Doctrine. But.... I don't have the "documentation" you ask for, nor am I willing to mention their names.

But I do have documentation regarding a man named David Duke. This man is a right-wing white supremacist. These are the affiliations he has:

• Knights of the Ku Klux Klan (founder, 1974);
• National Association for the Advancement of White People (founder, 1980);
• European-American Unity and Rights Organization (founder, 2003);
• enjoys a following in Eastern Europe and Russia, where he lived and toured as a speaker in 2001 and 2002.

Here's what's interesting about him. He entered politics and originally attempted to run as a Democrat. However, the Democrats wouldn't elect him to office to represent them. But...when he ran as a Republican he had some surprising success. LOL Here's an excerpt from an article about the man:



According to your logic, these left-wing extremists who appear to support Che represent Obama. But if a man like David Duke can be elected to office with Republican support...what does that say about Republicans? LOL

Obviously there are extremes on both sides that don't represent the parties they vote for nor do they officially represent the candidates they support.

The Che flag scandal is nothing but a desperate effort to find something to throw at Obama. I'd hope that any serious politically minded person would be abel to find substantial policy differences explaining why they don't support Obama, without the need of this kind of thing.

Those are his affiliations, but do they embrace him like the Democrats embrace the Communist Party of the USA? Chris, It's one thing to be affiliated with a particular group, but if that group doesn't endorse them, it isn't the same as giving them a pat on the back.

[DividedThigh]

now chris hall, all i feel for you is pity, the thing you have going for you is that you are young, maybe you can overcome this as you mature, dt

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I appreceate the fact that you have claimed Che as one of your own.

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Where did I claim Che as one of my own? In post #655 I specifically said,



That’s what I’m talking about. You’ll attack me and state outright lies. But YOU’RE supposed to be a “Christian”? You’re supposed to be my “brother”? If you can so easily misrepresent what I believe in and say such a thing about me, why should I believe that you’re a Christian and my brother?

Nobody is going to call you on how you’re slandering me just because I disagree with you politically. It’s people like you that make so many reconsider calling themselves Christian.

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Republicans have nutcases that believe in Theonomy and the institution of God's Law. In conversations on this forum they've voiced how they'd support laws executing homosexuals, prostitutes, and women who procure abortions. Some Pro-Lifers actually support shooting abortion doctors. I know Neo-Nazis who vote strict Republican tickets.

You have to realize that every political party has it's nutcases. The nuts on the far right don't represent the rank and file Republican nor do they represent the candidate. The nuts on the far left don't representing the rank and file Democrat nor do they represent the candidate.

When you grow up a little more you won't get all emotional and flip out at this kind of thing so easily. You'll be grounded and realize that those are just nutcases.

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

calm your self chris cant you tell ferd is just kidding with you, dont get all snooty or nobody will talk to you, i find your ideas entertaining at best, lol, dt

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Ferd isn’t kidding. He’s demonstrated that quite well. Not once did he say,

“Oh, just kidding Bro. Chris. I just disagree. I’m sorry if you mistook me questioning your Christianity, calling you a communist, socialist, or insinuating that you’re a sympathizer with a revolutionary murderer, or insinuating that you don’t care about the value of life. I was just joking. I hope that I didn’t offend or insult you in any way.”

Here’s another observation. I’m seen as having a bad attitude because for some reason I’m supposed to be tickled about being labeled what they have labeled me…but if I call Ferd on a blatant mis-representations and slander…oh…he’s just “kidding around”. Let’s face it….political conservatives can lie and slander with impunity (thank God some political Conservatives are decent people). And more and more Christians who are political conservatives are becoming more like conservative radio talk show hosts than Jesus Christ. Nobody will call him on it. It’s almost like there’s a new hate movement and all Democrats are the targets regardless as to what they believe as individuals.

I think this is a representative sampling.

Chris, I expressed appreciation for the fact that you have claimed Che as a team member.

I was serious.

In typical fashion, you have reputiated and defended Che. You have expressed distaste for him and at the same time, excused those who support both Che and Obama.

(by typical, I mean your personal history and the history of the demonrat party)

Now for the reason I stated my appreciation of your claiming Che as one of your own...

we were discussing this radical leftwing murderer (and you were defending those who like the guy)..... when you went on the tirade about Republicans being supported by racists and Nazis.

I am forced to assume that if you mean to suggest that skinheads in Ohio are members of the Republican party, then Che represents an idology that finds a home in your Democratic party.

thus my comment... which I stand by.

Thank you for admitting that Che is on your team.