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Old 02-17-2008, 03:50 PM
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Brother, the food in this country is very much overprocessed and loaded with chemicals. The food in other countries is much "closer to the ground it came from" than what we eat. In this country fast food is king. I would very much like for you to post some examples of countries where people see their doctors more frequently than we do and where they have better access to the latest technology and medical advances.
Food really isn't all that different in other countries. But yes, fast food is king here. Why do you think that is? I think it's the rat race of American society.

One thing a sister of ours said when she returned from Canada (her company is re-locating to Ottawa) was how she was so impressed with how they don't live this hurried rat race like culture. I just laughed and said, "It's something isn't it."

Do you think that our hurried culture contributes somewhat to this?
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Old 02-17-2008, 03:51 PM
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But that's not what universal health insurance is about. I'll explain it again Ferd. Your premiums are rising higher and higher primarily because more and more people are uninsured and not able to pay their medical bills. Health care providers hand this loss down by raising the cost of care. Your insurance company has to cover that, so they raise your premiums. Ferd...the reason your premiums are so high is because your paying for those who can't pay their bills.

A Universal System is about everyone contributing something to the cost of their health care. Everyone would be paying something into the system and since providers would be being paid, they'd have no loss to hand down. Since there would be no loss to hand down, private insurers would be able to lower your premiums.

Do you like paying for millions of uninsured people with higher premiums or do you think all Americans should pay something into the system that provides them health care?
Given the choice between paying higher premiums and having the government in charge, I choose the higher premiums.
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But that's not what universal health insurance is about. I'll explain it again Ferd. Your premiums are rising higher and higher primarily because more and more people are uninsured and not able to pay their medical bills. Health care providers hand this loss down by raising the cost of care. Your insurance company has to cover that, so they raise your premiums. Ferd...the reason your premiums are so high is because your paying for those who can't pay their bills.

A Universal System is about everyone contributing something to the cost of their health care. Everyone would be paying something into the system and since providers would be being paid, they'd have no loss to hand down. Since there would be no loss to hand down, private insurers would be able to lower your premiums.

Do you like paying for millions of uninsured people with higher premiums or do you think all Americans should pay something into the system that provides them health care?
I dont care how many times you want to explain what universal healthcare is about. Im not reading.

I am opposed to any system that makes me pay for someone else.
I am opposed to any system that leads to a single payer system
I am opposed to the government telling me what to do.

I am opposed to all of the proposed solutions to getting everyone in America covered by health insurance that have been put forth by democrats. you cannot explain communism in a way that I will appreciate. period.
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Old 02-17-2008, 03:53 PM
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But that's not what universal health insurance is about. I'll explain it again Ferd. Your premiums are rising higher and higher primarily because more and more people are uninsured and not able to pay their medical bills. Health care providers hand this loss down by raising the cost of care. Your insurance company has to cover that, so they raise your premiums. Ferd...the reason your premiums are so high is because your paying for those who can't pay their bills.

A Universal System is about everyone contributing something to the cost of their health care. Everyone would be paying something into the system and since providers would be being paid, they'd have no loss to hand down. Since there would be no loss to hand down, private insurers would be able to lower your premiums.

Do you like paying for millions of uninsured people with higher premiums or do you think all Americans should pay something into the system that provides them health care?
NO NO NO.....We don't want it, you can explain it till your blue in the face and we will keep explaining our point. It is feeding a beast that is already too big and out of control, it is stealing from me to give to those who want to live off of me. And last but not least in order to get it I have to vote in a candidate who will not stop with UHI but will continue to increase government spending and raise my taxes. NO NO NO
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Given the choice between paying higher premiums and having the government in charge, I choose the higher premiums.
Hey, a lot of Americans can't afford it. It's not right to make them choose between living with a roof over their heads or having health insurance. Eventually the premiums would rise until even more cannot afford insurance, and then they'd rise more...until even you're unable to afford insurance.

I assume you don't have kids. I have to have health insurance for my son and my wife. It's my duty as a father to see to it that they can see the doctor when they need to.
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NO NO NO.....We don't want it, you can explain it till your blue in the face and we will keep explaining our point. It is feeding a beast that is already too big and out of control, it is stealing from me to give to those who want to live off of me. And last but not least in order to get it I have to vote in a candidate who will not stop with UHI but will continue to increase government spending and raise my taxes. NO NO NO
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Brother, the food in this country is very much overprocessed and loaded with chemicals. The food in other countries is much "closer to the ground it came from" than what we eat. In this country fast food is king. I would very much like for you to post some examples of countries where people see their doctors more frequently than we do and where they have better access to the latest technology and medical advances.
After my recent health care crisis I'm inclined to agree with you. The over abundance of the protein gluten which becomes highly concentrated in processed wheat flour was literally poisoning me.

I see the effects of this poison on many other people in public bathrooms. It's something that is really nasty to notice, but once you've been there and diagnosed you can recognize other sufferers.
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I dont care how many times you want to explain what universal healthcare is about. Im not reading.

I am opposed to any system that makes me pay for someone else.
But you're already paying for someone else. That's why your premiums are so high.

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I am opposed to any system that leads to a single payer system
In other words your against single individuals paying something into the system to support their own health care.

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I am opposed to the government telling me what to do.
Like how you're told you can't see a doctor or go to a hospital because it's "out of network"?

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I am opposed to all of the proposed solutions to getting everyone in America covered by health insurance that have been put forth by democrats. you cannot explain communism in a way that I will appreciate. period.
You're just confused bro. This isn't Communism.
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NO NO NO.....We don't want it, you can explain it till your blue in the face and we will keep explaining our point. It is feeding a beast that is already too big and out of control, it is stealing from me to give to those who want to live off of me. And last but not least in order to get it I have to vote in a candidate who will not stop with UHI but will continue to increase government spending and raise my taxes. NO NO NO
Your premiums are already so high primarily because you're paying for increasing numbers of uninsured people not paying their bills. Bro...if you really want people shouldering more of their own weight...single payer is the way to go.
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I dont care how many times you want to explain what universal healthcare is about. Im not reading.

I am opposed to any system that makes me pay for someone else.
I am opposed to any system that leads to a single payer system
I am opposed to the government telling me what to do.

I am opposed to all of the proposed solutions to getting everyone in America covered by health insurance that have been put forth by democrats. you cannot explain communism in a way that I will appreciate. period.
I would be proud to stand in a fight beside a Texan who spoke like that.
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