Your Predictions for the coming elections???

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

What I've read on the Healthcare issue is that many Americans are healthy and that is the reason they are not covered. They know that if something catastrophic happens it will go beyond their coverage so they opt out.

I know of companies that have stopped covering the "emergency room" issues. Mainly, because when you are covered you will take advantage of that even if you don't really need it. It was a waste of money. They do cover for broken bones, etc.

Very true, I also see this being influenced by our moral issues. The younger generation don't need it thus don't get it. The divorce rate is higher than ever, it is not until one is truly settled down into their lives and families do they even consider protecting that environment.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by scotty

Very true, I also see this being influenced by our moral issues. The younger generation don't need it thus don't get it. The divorce rate is higher than ever, it is not until one is truly settled down into their lives and families do they even consider protecting that environment.

Right. Always the moral issue at stake.

[Pressing-On]

On my prediction: I will reserve my judgment after I see how McCain fares on interaction with the two other players. If he leans on being a smart aleck, which he does tend to come across that way in some instances, he isn't going to win this one.

He needs to stick to issues and not take personal "snickery" (is that a word?) pot shots. I'm not sure he will be able to do that, personally.

I'm listening to Ann Coulter's 2008 not-at-CPAC-CPAC speech. She said the only thing she disagrees with on Ron Paul is his foreign policy or else she would be in favor of voting for him. Read that FERD! lol

http://www.townhall.com/blog/g/b9769...7-c9955af1a2e5

She is also saying, which is true, the VP position on this is very important to the ticket as we will be thinking of 2012. Very true.

On the question and answer session a woman - very strongly - told Ann that she and Rush were going to make us lose the White House. She also pointed out that Ann stated that having a Democrat in the White House on foreign policy is a scary thing. She wanted to know how Ann felt about that and being against McCain. Good questions!

WOW, and now likening Huckabee to a "snake oil salesman" like Jimmy Swaggart. WOW - bold words.

She said she would have voted for Giuliani - as would I have. She says he is not at liberal as most think.

She is also for a third party! I agree!

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

"snickery" (is that a word?) !

Yes , it refers to an aboundance of the candy bar Snickers. as such

My refigerater is looking snickery.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by scotty

Yes , it refers to an aboundance of the candy bar Snickers. as such

My refigerater is looking snickery.

Sugar is evil!!!

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by scotty

All of this is exactly what I don't want. Negotiated prices means negotiated services. Ever heard of HMO?. No, I don't want the government telling me when and where and how much health care I can or can not get. Look at the IRS, the education dept., the welfare dept. Social Security. Why would you think I want them running my health care? And premiums went up initionally due to greedy lawsuits back about 10 yrs ago, only now are we looking at the long term results. Don't start another Democratic "gimme program" just because you don't want to make your trial lawyer lobby mad. Regulation can work with out taxing everyone to death.

Bro...my family goes to Canada every year. We have some good friends there and I've personally seen their system at work. You could say I saw Sicko before Michael Moore ever produced it. LOL You guys are using confusing terms. Leaders in the US aren't trying to create a "national health care system", they're trying to create a "national health insurance program." It's just subsidized insurance applied to prices negotiated between the government and the entire industry. It's not like the Republican HMO scheme. It's just insurance. You can go to see the doctor whenever and wherever you want to.

Aquil is right, right now our premiums are so high, and rising, because of a combination of three things...rising numbers of uninsured people seeking services, rising costs for prescription medication, and junk lawsuits. In France and Canada they cap lawsuits and most cases are not handled in court like in the US...they are handled by health care review boards and rewards are issued by those representatives who are medical professionals.

You see, Europe and Canada has already made costs more affordable, covered everyone, and reformed their malpractice systems to keep doctors from frivolous lawsuits.

American is SOOOOOO far behind the Western World in this area it's amazing. Other nations have highly successful public education systems, other nations have highly successful tax compliance, other nations have highly successful health care systems. America is already a second rate nation, we just can't bring ourselves to admit it yet. We need to catch up with the rest of the world and restore our greatness as a nation.

I assure you, in our current health care system your premiums will become so high even YOU will find yourself and your family uninsured. And bros, there's no reason for it. It doesn't have to be that way.

Thats the governments job, protect us from the evils of the world, be it other countries or the evils here. But its not to dictate our lives for us. It was not formed so we could pay it to provide for us as it sees fit. It was formed because that was the life the founders fought to get away from. It was formed so we could live with the freedom to provide for ourselves as we see fit.

Don't you realize that a healthy population is in our nation and our societies best interest? Right now America has one of the highest infant mortality rates, more obesity, diabetes, cancer, you name it than any other nation. Why? Because we live like slobs and most of us try to cut costs by not seeing a doctor as regularly as we should. In other nations people visit their doctor regularly and head off health problems faster than we do, they head them off when it costs less to treat them too. It's in our national interest to provide health care for all. We're not talking about buying everyone a hydrogen car...we're talking about health care. Many doctors just want to practice medicine, they don't wan the insanity the insurance companies are causing. Even the American Medical Association is advocating for a universal health insurance system. And doctors are increasingly advocating for universal health insurance. One reason is that they often work for hospitals and treat people who can't pay the bill. Sometimes a doctor will render services and the insurance company will decide not to cover the cost of the treatment. This isn't fair to doctors, they should be paid for their services not have to pass the cost down by increasing the cost of services for the rest of us.

You can list all the statistics you want, but if it puts us back to where we were pre-America then what have you gained? This is what it comes down to and what you can't argue with. You talk about the Republicans being bad by wanting globalization while in the same sentence supporting Democrats because they want to change our policies to be like other countries in the world ?

Don't you think that if other countries are doing better than we are with something we'd be wise to look into how they do it and adjust it to do here? For example the who idea behind capping malpractice suits and reforming laws to reduce frivolous lawsuits...they've been doing that in France for decades!!! The whole idea is working in France. And the conservatives are right on this part of the issue. Should we refuse to reform malpractice laws just because the French, Canadians, and Brits have successfully done so...or should we study them and do what it takes to do the same here???

If you start to notice a foul smell like your nose up someones rearend it is because you just circled around and come up behind yourself.

See my comments above. Aquil has some good points. If you like, under the Canadian flavor we have a thread on this subject where we are talking with ACTUAL CANADIANS who have universal health care. These are Apostolic brothers who will tell you the truth about their system compared to ours.

Trust me...we need to catch up and the only thing preventing us from doing so is...our fears.

[ChristopherHall]

I predict a Democratic victory for the White House. I also predict Democratic gains in Congress. I predict that we will get universal health insurance. In one generation most Christians will be very supportive of it. Much like the issue of slavery, many Christians disagreed with setting the slaves free in the US. They argued from the Bible that God allows it and that setting them free was a godless liberal act. Well...today most Christians proudly support the fact that our nation made that liberal advance in it's culture. It will be the same with universal health insurance.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I predict a Democratic victory for the White House. I also predict Democratic gains in Congress. I predict that we will get universal health insurance. In one generation most Christians will be very supportive of it. Much like the issue of slavery, many Christians disagreed with setting the slaves free in the US. They argued from the Bible that God allows it and that setting them free was a godless liberal act. Well...today most Christians proudly support the fact that our nation made that liberal advance in it's culture. It will be the same with universal health insurance.

It appears, thus far, the conservative movement - Coulter, Hannity and Limbaugh - are doing just that - putting a Democrat in the White House.

[ChristopherHall]

Here's the real deal guys. The Republicans take just as much of your money and give it away as Democrats. The question is what you'd rather have our tax money spent on. Policies with a domestic focus; or internationalist policies? Dems focus on the domestic front, Reps focus on the international front. Either way someone's going to use our money on someone and something. I personally prefer a more domestic focus. Others think we should be all over planet earth in various capacities.

Did you know the Bush Administration is subsidizing an Iraqi universal health care system out of the Iraqi Ministry of Health? Yep, in 2004, Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson took nearly a billion dollars to lay the ground work for the universal health care system in Iraq. Under Saddam various groups were denied coverage. President Bush advancing a health agenda in Iraq that makes sure that all Iraqis have health care coverage regardless of ethnicity, geographic origin, gender, or religious affiliation.

The war in Iraq is costing us around 8 or 9 billion dollars a MONTH. We are continuing to assist in funding their national health insurance program out of the Iraqi Ministry of Health. Meanwhile our seniors in the United States are choosing between buying food or the prescription drugs they need. Meanwhile 25,000 families have to declare bunkruptcy back home, and loose all they've ever worked for, because they can't afford their medical bills. Meanwhile 18,000 Americans die from treatable conditions merely because they don't have health insurance or have been denied coverage by their private health insurance company. Meanwhile 50 MILLION Americans are without health insurance and as our premium rise that number grows.

But the health insurance industry is recording record profits and their CEOs walk away with billions in stock options.

Bros...the system here isn't working. Let's come together as a nation and do what needs to be done.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Bro...my family goes to Canada every year. We have some good friends there and I've personally seen their system at work. You could say I saw Sicko before Michael Moore ever produced it. LOL You guys are using confusing terms. Leaders in the US aren't trying to create a "national health care system", they're trying to create a "national health insurance program." It's just subsidized insurance applied to prices negotiated between the government and the entire industry. It's not like the Republican HMO scheme. It's just insurance. You can go to see the doctor whenever and wherever you want to.

Aquil is right, right now our premiums are so high, and rising, because of a combination of three things...rising numbers of uninsured people seeking services, rising costs for prescription medication, and junk lawsuits. In France and Canada they cap lawsuits and most cases are not handled in court like in the US...they are handled by health care review boards and rewards are issued by those representatives who are medical professionals.

You see, Europe and Canada has already made costs more affordable, covered everyone, and reformed their malpractice systems to keep doctors from frivolous lawsuits.

American is SOOOOOO far behind the Western World in this area it's amazing. Other nations have highly successful public education systems, other nations have highly successful tax compliance, other nations have highly successful health care systems. America is already a second rate nation, we just can't bring ourselves to admit it yet. We need to catch up with the rest of the world and restore our greatness as a nation.

I assure you, in our current health care system your premiums will become so high even YOU will find yourself and your family uninsured. And bros, there's no reason for it. It doesn't have to be that way.


Don't you realize that a healthy population is in our nation and our societies best interest? Right now America has one of the highest infant mortality rates, more obesity, diabetes, cancer, you name it than any other nation. Why? Because we live like slobs and most of us try to cut costs by not seeing a doctor as regularly as we should. In other nations people visit their doctor regularly and head off health problems faster than we do, they head them off when it costs less to treat them too. It's in our national interest to provide health care for all. We're not talking about buying everyone a hydrogen car...we're talking about health care. Many doctors just want to practice medicine, they don't wan the insanity the insurance companies are causing. Even the American Medical Association is advocating for a universal health insurance system. And doctors are increasingly advocating for universal health insurance. One reason is that they often work for hospitals and treat people who can't pay the bill. Sometimes a doctor will render services and the insurance company will decide not to cover the cost of the treatment. This isn't fair to doctors, they should be paid for their services not have to pass the cost down by increasing the cost of services for the rest of us.



Don't you think that if other countries are doing better than we are with something we'd be wise to look into how they do it and adjust it to do here? For example the who idea behind capping malpractice suits and reforming laws to reduce frivolous lawsuits...they've been doing that in France for decades!!! The whole idea is working in France. And the conservatives are right on this part of the issue. Should we refuse to reform malpractice laws just because the French, Canadians, and Brits have successfully done so...or should we study them and do what it takes to do the same here???



See my comments above. Aquil has some good points. If you like, under the Canadian flavor we have a thread on this subject where we are talking with ACTUAL CANADIANS who have universal health care. These are Apostolic brothers who will tell you the truth about their system compared to ours.

Trust me...we need to catch up and the only thing preventing us from doing so is...our fears.

Brother me and you have already had this conversation on the other thread. My response is the same. I don't want it.

Put it on the ballot, if the majority votes it in then fine, otherwise don't force it on me.

You still did not address how you figure the government can be trusted with this when all the other government run programs and departments are inept.

And last but not least, for as many as you can show that approve of it I can inturn post testimony of the nightmares others have went through.

Ever wonder why low income towns/cities have run down education systems, poor streets, run down city services. Because low income cities, towns, etc. pay less taxes by percentage than higher income towns/cities. The town I live in is comprised mostly of upper middle to upper income. The town that borders us is middle to lower income. The difference in the services, parks, schools, streets, etc is like night and day. This will be no different. If you are upper income,thus putting more into the system, you will get excellent health care. But if you are lower income, your health care will be the equal to that of a bad HMO. Lower income people in these countries you adore have waited in line for months just to be looked at by a doctor. Waiting list for surgeries, while the people suffer till their number is called.

I don't want it brother, period. If people want a government to take care of them then move to another country, otherwise put it on the ballot and let the majority decide.