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01-30-2008, 10:13 AM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America
McCain is not a true conservative, and his views on the military-industrial complex, and on government authority, ought to chill any conservative's ardor for him. Alas, if he is nominated, we are left dumbfounded at the ballot box gulping, 'I hope this guy is better than a slimy socialist.' And, as we see with George W. Bush, a "man of principle" who turns out to be a big-government Republican who USED the religious right to get elected, and then turned a deaf ear to them, is not necessarily going to be an indicator of progress towards limited government and constitutional purity.
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01-30-2008, 10:13 AM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America
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Originally Posted by Aquila
McCain is often hot tempered and and snappy. He's really toned himself down a bit recently in this campaign though. I don't think McCain is a stellar conservative. When he ran against Bush his lack of conservatism hurt him. McCain has supported Roe, though saying he's prolife, McCain even supported stem cell research. McCain's record with free trade is spotty.
When I look at the field and see who's rising to the top in both parties it's evident to me that Reganomics dead. The Republicans leading the pack are largely populist and progressive when it comes to economics. They'd make good late 80's early 90's Democrats.
I think it's time we wake up. The Republicans have no intention to address abortion and gay marriage. Some of the most powerful Republican constituents support abortion rights and gay marriage. Around every election they come out talking about life and values and then get into their pro-corporate money making schemes that nearly wreck the economy. Our economy has taken a big hit, the value of the dollar is down, the housing market is devastated...these cats are rotten to the core. They changed "deregulate", and "less governmental regulations in banking"...they got what they wanted and predatory lending practices got us here.
I don't think the Republicans are worth a lick. The Democrats aren't much better. The only thing we'd have going for us under the Democrats is that they might be grateful enough to actually listen to the American people and return to a Pro-American domestic policy that the Republicans completely abandoned.
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Ditto.
I can settle for McCain because he will stand against terrorism (the Republicans always want a foreign policy president), which has been circumvented by the economy, which isn't in that big of trouble and will right itself and teach people a lesson about their mistakes - if the government would allow it - which they won't.
Stimulus package that we don't need!
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01-30-2008, 10:14 AM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America
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Vote Democratic????? That's unapostolic, unPentecostal, un"fill in the blank"...
Not going to happen here!!
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isnt it funny, when i was a kid all my family were kennedy dems and 20 years later were all reagan republicans, lol, what a funny world, ever changing, dt
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01-30-2008, 10:15 AM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
McCain is not a true conservative, and his views on the military-industrial complex, and on government authority, ought to chill any conservative's ardor for him. Alas, if he is nominated, we are left dumbfounded at the ballot box gulping, 'I hope this guy is better than a slimy socialist.' And, as we see with George W. Bush, a "man of principle" who turns out to be a big-government Republican who USED the religious right to get elected, and then turned a deaf ear to them, is not necessarily going to be an indicator of progress towards limited government and constitutional purity.
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so true, bro, so true, gulp is right, dt
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01-30-2008, 10:17 AM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America
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isnt it funny, when i was a kid all my family were kennedy dems and 20 years later were all reagan republicans, lol, what a funny world, ever changing, dt
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What's even more interesting is that there is still support for the Democratic Party in many areas of the South and with Pentecostal families. We grew up in the period when the Democratic Party was the ONLY party of the South, and many have not changed their party affiliation or voting habits, in spite of the fact the Democratic Party has long ago left its Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy roots...
But, even 20 years ago, DividedThigh, I was a Republican...what foresight and vision!!!
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01-30-2008, 10:20 AM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America
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What's even more interesting is that there is still support for the Democratic Party in many areas of the South and with Pentecostal families. We grew up in the period when the Democratic Party was the ONLY party of the South, and many have not changed their party affiliation or voting habits, in spite of the fact the Democratic Party has long ago left its Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy roots...
But, even 20 years ago, DividedThigh, I was a Republican...what foresight and vision!!!
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me too, wow, that is almost prophetic, lol, dt
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01-30-2008, 10:20 AM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America
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Originally Posted by RevBuddy
What's even more interesting is that there is still support for the Democratic Party in many areas of the South and with Pentecostal families. We grew up in the period when the Democratic Party was the ONLY party of the South, and many have not changed their party affiliation or voting habits, in spite of the fact the Democratic Party has long ago left its Roosevelt, Truman and Kennedy roots...
But, even 20 years ago, DividedThigh, I was a Republican...what foresight and vision!!!
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The Republicans are selling your country to the lowest bidder...and you don't care. They wave a flag and talk great swelling words about values and it makes you feel comfortable voting for them...then they sell you and every other American family down the river. How can you even sleep at night?
The Republicans are master manipulators when it comes to religion. They have learned to use religion and phony patriotism to get blind followers. It's the same ol' thing we've seen down through history time and time again.
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01-30-2008, 10:22 AM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America
I would vote for a Democrat before I voted for McCain . And it would be the first time in 30 years since I voted Democrat.
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01-30-2008, 10:24 AM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America
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I would vote for a Democrat before I voted for McCain . And it would be the first time in 30 years since I voted Democrat.
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not good, sis, dont know what to tell you, i just cant bring myself to vote for a pro abortion candidate, cant do it, dt
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01-30-2008, 10:26 AM
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Re: McCain Is the Only Hope of the GOP & America
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
McCain is not a true conservative, and his views on the military-industrial complex, and on government authority, ought to chill any conservative's ardor for him. Alas, if he is nominated, we are left dumbfounded at the ballot box gulping, 'I hope this guy is better than a slimy socialist.' And, as we see with George W. Bush, a "man of principle" who turns out to be a big-government Republican who USED the religious right to get elected, and then turned a deaf ear to them, is not necessarily going to be an indicator of progress towards limited government and constitutional purity.
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Great post!!!! McCain is no conservative.
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