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Old 12-24-2007, 11:19 PM
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That's an interesting point. Why do we freak out and fail to see golden opportunities? Instead of the ol' bunker mentality in which we are under seige by decorated trees, fat men in red suits, etc....why don't we take back what the devil has stolen? Why don't we tell our children who Santa really was, a Christian Bishop who lived a generous and faithful life? And explain to them that we give gifts in his memory.

It makes more since that the ol' "fear of Santa" syndrome. It's also far more truthful than saying, "Santa isn't real." Honesty would demand that we tell them who "Santa" really was...St. Nicolas.
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Old 12-24-2007, 11:27 PM
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I'll go a step further.

I think we shouldn't use the phrase "Merry Christmas". The phrase means, "Happy Christ's Mass". I'm not Catholic so the phrase doesn't apply. I'm a Bible believing Christian. Therefore I contend that I don't celebrate "mass", let alone, "Christ's Mass" (Christmas). I've set a day aside to remember and celebrate the birth of Christ. That day, being set aside, is seperate i.e. holy. Therefore it is a "Holy Day" or..."Holiday". So biblically speaking it makes more Christian sense to say, "Happy Holidays".

So what is it that many of us celebrate; "Christmas" (Christ's Mass) or a "Holy Day" (Holiday)?
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Old 12-24-2007, 11:54 PM
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Old 12-25-2007, 01:01 AM
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That's an interesting point. Why do we freak out and fail to see golden opportunities? Instead of the ol' bunker mentality in which we are under seige by decorated trees, fat men in red suits, etc....why don't we take back what the devil has stolen? Why don't we tell our children who Santa really was, a Christian Bishop who lived a generous and faithful life? And explain to them that we give gifts in his memory.

It makes more since that the ol' "fear of Santa" syndrome. It's also far more truthful than saying, "Santa isn't real." Honesty would demand that we tell them who "Santa" really was...St. Nicolas.
Dear sir, my children are informed that the Santa issue is a myth and it's roots go back to a few different stories "one" of them links the jolly fat elf to St. Nicholas.

My daughters mother was raised in the Greek Orthodox tradition and their Grandmother is a Byzantine scholar.
When my girls walk into their grandparent's homee they see Icons and Greek religious items. They have gone to Easten Orthodox services in Washington D.C. All their experiences are explained to them on how we practice Christianity is different from how their grandmother practices her faith.

So, I would agree with you partly, the reason that I say partly is because St. Nicholas is just more vague history of the Eastern and Western Orthodox churches.

My focus is to teach my children and those I preach and study with, that the Xmas is a tradition that is based on what Eastern Orthodoxy, Roman Catholicism and then later Reformation Protestantism created it to become.

True honesty is to call it like it is, a tradition lay over from the Eastern Orthodox Churches. I teach my children that the history of the Eastern Orthodox church was started by the Emperor Constantine and his mother Helena had taken the old ancient Persian mystery religion of the god Mithra and baptized it into Christianity and what my daughters see when they walk into the sanctuary of a Eastern Greek Orthodox church is closer to what a pagan temple was like in the first century than what a Christian fellowship was like during that time.

This is what I teach to my family and my friends who want to know.

Should I teach my children and anyone else that would listen that we should give gifts because of the memory of Jesus Christ and His birth? What do I do when they ask me to produce scripture, chapter and verse? Point them in the direction of an obscure Saint in the Eastern Orthodox Church?

My wife's testimony is one of her going to an Pentecostal church and in prayer asking Jesus that she did not want to trade one tradition of men for another tradition of men. She wanted something real.

I wanted the same thing when I came into the Apostolic Faith, and I want the same thing for my children and those that I teach.

December 24th and the 25th is just another two days to the Benincasa family. May the Lord bless all of you when you meet with family and friends and I hope you enjoy your time together. As for my family and I we will continue to practice our faith as we see fit and may you all practice as you see fit.

The Lord bless and guide us all and that we listen closely to His voice and His Word.

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I'll go a step further.

I think we shouldn't use the phrase "Merry Christmas". The phrase means, "Happy Christ's Mass". I'm not Catholic so the phrase doesn't apply. I'm a Bible believing Christian. Therefore I contend that I don't celebrate "mass", let alone, "Christ's Mass" (Christmas). I've set a day aside to remember and celebrate the birth of Christ. That day, being set aside, is seperate i.e. holy. Therefore it is a "Holy Day" or..."Holiday". So biblically speaking it makes more Christian sense to say, "Happy Holidays".

So what is it that many of us celebrate; "Christmas" (Christ's Mass) or a "Holy Day" (Holiday)?
So when may I ask are you gathering a council together to vote on other holy days and feast days for your religion?

Friend, can't you see that you're speaking of doing what the early Catholics and Orthodox did in the 4th century AD.

If you were born and raised in a culture that never heard of Xmas celebrations you would have no issues to deal with concerning the phrase "Merry Christ Mass" or "Happy Holy Day". Since you have been raised in a culture where Xmas is supposed to represent Jesus' birth, then you have to deal with how to fit it into your Christian experience.

The practice is not Biblical and is not mandated in the scriptures, nor did anyone from the first century to the 3rd ever practice Xmas tree mass.

We start to sound silly when we try to protect cultural customs that were never Biblical, which cause us to revert to philosophy rather than Bible to protect our position.

The Lord bless you Brother and your family and friends as you gather in your fellowship on the 25th.

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I have yet to meet a second-generation 'we don't celebrate Christmas' family.


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I have yet to meet a second-generation 'we don't celebrate Christmas' family.


Just sounds like you need to get out more.
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hmm... it seems like the old boy's been into the 'nog. When I checked in he was "leaving a present" in an empty field on the island of Oahu.

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Hello, Heavenly one,
Let me introduce myself, my name is Helen Febus.
I am a second generation "we don't celebrate Christmas". My Mother is Apostolic and has never believed in celebrating Christmas.

I just wanted to say hello and that I pray the Lord bless you and your family. Also to let you know that we "non Chrismas" people are more in number than you would think.

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Old 12-25-2007, 09:57 AM
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hmm... it seems like the old boy's been into the 'nog. When I checked in he was "leaving a present" in an empty field on the island of Oahu.
It refreshes every 5 mins - that was the position when you zoomed in.

Can you say bathroom break?

(answer your stinking phone!)
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