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[FRINGE_NUTTER]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Post number 1051??? Get real. No thread goes on that long... does it? Oh. What were we talking about?

I thought the drama of last night and today was actually productive. Made me think about myself and about several things.

Coon's points on bitterness were good and Jekyll's surprising sermon was excellent. However, one thing that's always bothered me about "bitterness" in our fellowship is the way I see people who do much damage (and Jekyll and Coonskinner DO NOT come to mind here) will often fall back onto a soliloquy on bitterness right after they've run amok over God's people.

I actually had one dear friend fall into spasms after screaming at me for an extended period. What was their complaint? They complained that I was "bitter" about the way they behaved. I wasn't really bitter yet, at that point I was alarmed and frightened. LOL.

It's just the accusation of "bitterness" was one more weapon in their arsenal that they could hurl against me to disguise their own sinful behavior. When I met up with a family member from across the country shortly after this, the first thing that family member did was to ask why I was so "bitter" about the screaming lunatic. The screamer had been on the phone and in every visit was shoring up their accusations against me.

Now, many years later, people see the sin for what it was. But what if when I did speak up back then, what if people had listened to me? The "screamer" could have been saved a lot of pain. Their church and legacy might even have been saved. By standing up to abusive authority I was actually trying to do them a favor. I didn't back bite and I didn't go public with my complaints. I didn't try and rally forces to my side. I merely pleaded with my adversaries (brother and sister) to give themselves to Christ and turn their bitterness and anger over to Him.

So, from my experience the whole "don't be bitter" rap was really a tool used by bitter people to hide sin and it resulted in the the destruction of an entire congregation. People were scattered all over the place, many of them were rather bitter about their experiences and the whole wound is still an open sore in the body of Christ in this region to this day. I feel that if I had been more vocal and had not bought into the silence and secrecy code of conduct that I might have spared a lot of people a lot of pain.

Oh, and another technical point... Romans 13:2 deals with civil authority, not church authority. The "powers that be are ordained of God ... a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

Brother, I can so relate to this post. God bless you. After reading the ethics/character thread, I am reminded that I was told by several folks that I should have brought "ethics" charges against a few folks, but I doubt that anyone above them would have listened. I have put it in God's hands. He'll judge them for all of their unethical and unscrupulous behavior.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by South of I 90

Is the WWPF against preaching enhancing drugs??

I know the WWF has been infiltrated with steriods!!

I kept having similar thoughts with the WPF/WWPF acronyms. Will Tulsa be a "SMACKDOWN?"

BTW, where you been, where'd you go? I've missed you posting.

[Dora]

Originally Posted by FRINGE_NUTTER

Brother, I can so relate to this post. God bless you. After reading the ethics/character thread, I am reminded that I was told by several folks that I should have brought "ethics" charges against a few folks, but I doubt that anyone above them would have listened. I have put it in God's hands. He'll judge them for all of their unethical and unscrupulous behavior.

Where is that "ethics/character" thread? Can't seem to find it.

[FRINGE_NUTTER]

Originally Posted by Dora

Where is that "ethics/character" thread? Can't seem to find it.

There was a discussion of ethics and character embedded into one of the threads a few days ago. I don't recall which one. Sorry.

This fellowship is mot an org, but a fellowship of like-monded ministers.
Will it become an org? That is truly the qustion, but to date it is merely a place for conservative ministers to network together.
My pastor Br Wayne Cardwell is a part of it and has talked with the ministers in his church regarding this, myself included.
I personally think it is a good thing. I too am concerned with the liberal leaning persausion of UPCI.

Let me state here- Br Cardwell has not suggested to any of the licensed ministers that they should leave the org nor has he done so himself. He has not decided to leave that we know of and is not planning to take the local assembly out of the org.

FYI- anyone who wishes to join PFW can do so regardless of affiliation. All conservatives are welcome. Many of the names on the list are still affiliated with their orgs such as UPCI, ALJC, and more.

I would suggest that those who post so much without getting their facts straight would better serve in researching things before stirring controversy. You make it difficult to have unity when you work for satan in this respect.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by NobodyImportant

This fellowship is mot an org, but a fellowship of like-monded ministers.
Will it become an org? That is truly the qustion, but to date it is merely a place for conservative ministers to network together.
My pastor Br Wayne Cardwell is a part of it and has talked with the ministers in his church regarding this, myself included.
I personally think it is a good thing. I too am concerned with the liberal leaning persausion of UPCI.

Let me state here- Br Cardwell has not suggested to any of the licensed ministers that they should leave the org nor has he done so himself. He has not decided to leave that we know of and is not planning to take the local assembly out of the org.

FYI- anyone who wishes to join PFW can do so regardless of affiliation. All conservatives are welcome. Many of the names on the list are still affiliated with their orgs such as UPCI, ALJC, and more.

I would suggest that those who post so much without getting their facts straight would better serve in researching things before stirring controversy. You make it difficult to have unity when you work for satan in this respect.

NI,

What is your definition of an organization? Is it one that issues licenses? I don't know if the WWPF has announced they will license ministers yet but it seems like a very logical step.

They certainly are an organization when it comes to mirroring almost every department the UPC has from quizzing, youth ministries, women's ministries, missions, etc.

[MissBrattified]

Semantics!!!!

[Straightline]

Originally Posted by CC1

NI,

What is your definition of an organization? Is it one that issues licenses? I don't know if the WWPF has announced they will license ministers yet but it seems like a very logical step.

They certainly are an organization when it comes to mirroring almost every department the UPC has from quizzing, youth ministries, women's ministries, missions, etc.

CC1: FYI

They are an organized network of ministers, on this I agree.

However, they will not be granting credentials or licenses, now or ever. The local church issues the license, which is the most Biblical approach to sending forth ministers I've seen. The whole philosophical framework of their network is built on the Local Church granting credentials/licenses, because the local church is the highest authority - not the WPF. We can call this semantics, but it really is a matter of where the authority rests: On the local church, not on organizational hierarchy.

(You should've been there! You go to all the other Con meetings!)

Thanks!

Headed up in a
Straightline

Originally Posted by Straightline

CC1: FYI

They are an organized network of ministers, on this I agree.

However, they will not be granting credentials or licenses, now or ever. The local church issues the license, which is the most Biblical approach to sending forth ministers I've seen. The whole philosophical framework of their network is built on the Local Church granting credentials/licenses, because the local church is the highest authority - not the WPF. We can call this semantics, but it really is a matter of where the authority rests: On the local church, not on organizational hierarchy.

(You should've been there! You go to all the other Con meetings!)

Thanks!

Headed up in a
Straightline

As I understand it, this is exactly right. And I do agree sinc this does put the authority back in the hands of the local church which is where it does belong from a biblical standpoint
RevDooley

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Straightline

CC1: FYI

They are an organized network of ministers, on this I agree.

However, they will not be granting credentials or licenses, now or ever. The local church issues the license, which is the most Biblical approach to sending forth ministers I've seen. The whole philosophical framework of their network is built on the Local Church granting credentials/licenses, because the local church is the highest authority - not the WPF. We can call this semantics, but it really is a matter of where the authority rests: On the local church, not on organizational hierarchy.

(You should've been there! You go to all the other Con meetings!)

Thanks!

Headed up in a
Straightline

Interesting. I am a little surprised they are not going to issue credentials from a legal standpoint. I could be wrong but my understanding is that there are some legal benefits and status that can only be obtained by being licensed by a recognized (legally) religous organization.