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[CC1]

Originally Posted by gulfcoastbrother

My uncle, who pastors a very large liberal UPCI church and is good friends with TLC, told me that TLC never agreed to go to Tulsa and doesn't agree with the ultra cons...

They would not list his name without his permission I don't think.

I think the confusion is that some folks think that everyone associated with the Tulsa meeting is committed to leaving the UPC. That is not true.

One can be interestested in exploring the possibilities and thoughts of like minded people without having made up their mind to take the leap.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by CC1

They would not list his name without his permission I don't think.

I think the confusion is that some folks think that everyone associated with the Tulsa meeting is committed to leaving the UPC. That is not true.

One can be interestested in exploring the possibilities and thoughts of like minded people without having made up their mind to take the leap.

I knew TL Craft as we lived in Jackson in 1975.

My dad taught at JCM/PBI.

TL Craft will play the fence until someone gives him a title.

He is playing wait and see.

I will watch and see....As he leaves.

It is like Bill Clinton looking for a legacy.

These splits give men a legacy for folks to talk about for next 50 years..

It sounds good General Superintendent "Larry Booker"

General Superintendent "T.L. Craft"

That is the prize some seek not their convictions.

Their convictions may pave the road of their legacy.

But their drive to the top keeps them on that road.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I knew TL Craft as we lived in Jackson in 1975.

My dad taught at JCM/PBI.

TL Craft will play the fence until someone gives him a title.

He is playing wait and see.

I will watch and see....As he leaves.

It is like Bill Clinton looking for a legacy.

These splits give men a legacy for folks to talk about for next 50 years..

It sounds good General Superintendent "Larry Booker"

General Superintendent "T.L. Craft"

That is the prize some seek not their convictions.

Their convictions may pave the road of their legacy.

But their drive to the top keeps them on that road.

You obviously have no clue about TLC. You may have met him as a kid but your view of him is so off base it is not funny. TLC does NOT have a "drive to the top". That statement alone discredits anything you say about TLC with anybody that knows him.

Beleive me I have plenty to disagree with when it comes to TLC and I fault him for some things but he is not what you charactereized here.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by CC1

You obviously have no clue about TLC. You may have met him as a kid but your view of him is so off base it is not funny. TLC does NOT have a "drive to the top". That statement alone discredits anything you say about TLC with anybody that knows him.

Beleive me I have plenty to disagree with when it comes to TLC and I fault him for some things but he is not what you charactereized here.

Time will tell. Both of our opinions do not matter.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by CC1

You obviously have no clue about TLC. You may have met him as a kid but your view of him is so off base it is not funny. TLC does NOT have a "drive to the top". That statement alone discredits anything you say about TLC with anybody that knows him.

Beleive me I have plenty to disagree with when it comes to TLC and I fault him for some things but he is not what you charactereized here.

My comments were not meant to be funny.

What happened between TL Craft and John Eckstadt was also not funny in 1975.

Ask yourself why did John Eckstadt leave Jackson after being there 10 months.

Take his family from Jackson, MS to be with Mark Hanby in Ft. Worth?

Was it fun to take a family of 6 and move again?

No..

I did not just meet TL Craft as a kid there is a real history that is factual....

As for my comments you can take any of the names on that list.

Do you think none of them want to be the next movement leader?

I guess ambition no longer drives the heart of any man.

[gulfcoastbrother]

Floyd Odom will be the new General Supt....he and Ramona have already gotten an apartment in Tulsa. Hot off the press from Ramona's family.

[vrblackwell]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

I knew TL Craft as we lived in Jackson in 1975.

My dad taught at JCM/PBI.

TL Craft will play the fence until someone gives him a title.

He is playing wait and see.

I will watch and see....As he leaves.

It is like Bill Clinton looking for a legacy.

These splits give men a legacy for folks to talk about for next 50 years..

It sounds good General Superintendent "Larry Booker"

General Superintendent "T.L. Craft"

That is the prize some seek not their convictions.

Their convictions may pave the road of their legacy.

But their drive to the top keeps them on that road.

You are so wrong about Brother Craft. He has turned down a number of positions through the years.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by gulfcoastbrother

Floyd Odom will be the new General Supt....he and Ramona have already gotten an apartment in Tulsa. Hot off the press from Ramona's family.

I thought HQ was in California! Thad was wrong!

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by vrblackwell

You are so wrong about Brother Craft. He has turned down a number of positions through the years.

This person has obviously some harbored bitterness from upteen billion years ago and cant seem to let it go... It is obvious he does NOT know the current Brother Craft at all but he doesnt seem to care he just wants to paint everything in the oh this happened back with my dad story... we have heard it over and over and over and still dont buy it!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Neckstadt

My comments were not meant to be funny.

What happened between TL Craft and John Eckstadt was also not funny in 1975.

Ask yourself why did John Eckstadt leave Jackson after being there 10 months.

Take his family from Jackson, MS to be with Mark Hanby in Ft. Worth?

Was it fun to take a family of 6 and move again?

No..

I did not just meet TL Craft as a kid there is a real history that is factual....

As for my comments you can take any of the names on that list.

Do you think none of them want to be the next movement leader?

I guess ambition no longer drives the heart of any man.

I knew that your dad had issues with TLC and that was where your opinion of him was coming from but I did not want to bring that into the discussion.

I am not saying that no wrong was done from TLC toward your dad. There may have been. What I am saying is that even if that is so it does not validate your assessment of TLC. I have spent the last 30 years around him to varying degrees and you are just flat wrong. No opinon invovloed you are just wrong. TLC has faults and has done people wrong but at some point int time so has everybody I know including myself. We are all human and make mistakes.

You can dislike TLC for something that happened between he and your dad but don't use that to mischaracterize the man by saying things that you do not know.

Oh, and I knew your comments were not intendd to be "funny". That is why they made me angry. You are posting things but a kids perspective of something that happened decades ago.