OK, One more time...at which "step" is one rapture ready?

[SDG]

I know Pentecost loves to count tongue talkers ... but is this the fruit of a Spirit-filled person???

21 instances of conversions in the book of Acts and only 4 accompanied by tongues ...

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

hmmm...

And all this time I thought tongues was a sign unto the unbeliever ....

Brothers and sisters, do not be children in your thinking. Instead, be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature. 21It is written in the law: "By people with strange tongues and by the lips of strangers I will speak to this people, yet not even in this way will they listen to me," says the Lord. 22 So then, tongues are a sign not for believers but for unbelievers. Prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers (I Corinthians 14:20-22, NET Bible).

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I know Pentecost loves to count tongue talkers ... but is this the fruit of a Spirit-filled person???

21 instances of conversions in the book of Acts and only 4 accompanied by tongues ...

Because tongues was not mentioned does that mean it did not happen?
How many instances of conversions took place with & without water baptism?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

Because tongues was not mentioned does that mean it did not happen?
How many instances of conversions took place with & without water baptism?

Nor does it mean that it did ... Dan. Your dillema is making "tongues or hell" a salvific doctrine.

Genuine conversions result in baptisms ... always. Yet your dilemma is supporting that a properly administered baptism causes salvation.

[Encryptus]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Nor does it mean that it did ... Dan. Your dillema is making "tongues or hell" a salvific doctrine.

Genuine conversions result in baptisms ... always. Yet your dilemma is supporting that a properly administered baptism causes salvation.

Hate to butt in but you should have also highlighted the word "PROPERLY".

Cause if it done ain't right yalls jes back down to two steppin.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by Encryptus

Hate to butt in but you should have also highlighted the word "PROPERLY".

Cause if it done ain't right yalls jes back down to two steppin.

One step, two step, three steps, sounds like I'm watching "Dancing with the stars".

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by John Atkinson

Then I would answer that person. "You aren't dying right now, so I would suggest we find some water and get you baptized right and God will give you the Holy Ghost. Because it could happen and we don't know when."

Those women in the parable of the ten virgins sincerely wanted some oil.

Ok, let's take a step further then, say the person IS on their death bed and has lived the worst life you could almost imagine...guilt and conviction grip them, God is certainly dealing with their heart, they can't be baptized due to medical situations...the person TRULY repents with all of their heart and asks God to forgive them...they wipe the tears from their eyes and ask the question. You're not answering as God, you're answering as a man of God who has lead them to the throne do grace...


This is not necessarily to you, JA, but just to take it a little further for all to read.





I don't know how I got dragged into this AGAIN....I promised myself that I would only post a LITTLE bit when Renda asked me.....

[Revelationist]

Since the word Rapture means, "over filled with joy", it would have to be after receiving the Holy Ghost. I felt better after repentance and being baptized, but I was Raptured when I got the Holy Ghost.

[Whole Hearted]

After one has repented, be baptised in Jesus name FOR the remissions of sine, received the Holy Ghost, and living a holy and separated life.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

After one has repented, be baptised in Jesus name FOR the remissions of sine, received the Holy Ghost, and living a holy and separated life.

Can't go to heaven with that one-eyed devil in the house eh? LOL
Even if all the other steps are somehow followed A, B, and C on a persons death bed?

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Nor does it mean that it did ... Dan. Your dillema is making "tongues or hell" a salvific doctrine.

Genuine conversions result in baptisms ... always. Yet your dilemma is supporting that a properly administered baptism causes salvation.

Dan,

How do you know the conversion was genuine? How does anyone?

MOW,

How do you measure or determine "genuine" repentance? What quantifies and qualifies one's repentance as 'genuine"? Don't tell me you start fruit inspecting or looking at the works or behaviors or attitudes demonstrated by the repentee. Surely you don't do that?