*** [Exclusive] Resolution 3: The Bloodbath and Inquisition begins ****

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Working against you? Are you for real? Why is it the big wigs can preach where they want? Are you suggesting that evangelists must be locked in to the fellowship only?

We're talking about Apostolic brethren!!!

I did not say working against ME, I said IN MANY WAYS working against the LOCAL UPC ASSEMBLY.


I honestly don't care one way or the other. To me, if the Kingdom is built, go for it! But put yourself in the position of that local home missions church pastor that is struggling to grow his church, and along comes a man IN HIS ORG, and goes across town to hold a crusade for a NON UPC church.

My first impression is that the evangelist must be too big to go help the home missions church, cause they will not be able to give him a BIG OFFERING.

Of course all this is supposition because you have not really presented ALL the pertinent info for us to come to a really logical and balance conclusion on the matter.

[anapko]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Again ... just common courtesy to give this pastor some time to make contingency plans ... ONE DAY BEFORE THE CRUSADE???

Amen to that!!! To invoke a "command", as all this is simply giving the DS's of the world of UPC, is not right to the local assembly! I agree with DeltaSound, Praxeas and Pastor Poster on their comments!!! Pitiful, pitiful, pitiful!!! It is nothing but Phariseeism!!!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I did not say working against ME, I said IN MANY WAYS working against the LOCAL UPC ASSEMBLY.


I honestly don't care one way or the other. To me, if the Kingdom is built, go for it! But put yourself in the position of that local home missions church pastor that is struggling to grow his church, and along comes a man IN HIS ORG, and goes across town to hold a crusade for a NON UPC church.

My first impression is that the evangelist must be too big to go help the home missions church, cause they will not be able to give him a BIG OFFERING.

Of course all this is supposition because you have not really presented ALL the pertinent info for us to come to a really logical and balance conclusion on the matter.

Oh boy .... affirmative action, revenue sharing and equal distribution of wealth are now plaguing the church ....

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I did not say working against ME, I said IN MANY WAYS working against the LOCAL UPC ASSEMBLY.


I honestly don't care one way or the other. To me, if the Kingdom is built, go for it! But put yourself in the position of that local home missions church pastor that is struggling to grow his church, and along comes a man IN HIS ORG, and goes across town to hold a crusade for a NON UPC church.

My first impression is that the evangelist must be too big to go help the home missions church, cause they will not be able to give him a BIG OFFERING.

Of course all this is supposition because you have not really presented ALL the pertinent info for us to come to a really logical and balance conclusion on the matter.

Who owns the church?

I thought this was God's kingdom.

Not ours.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Actually Daniel, If I was the UPC pastor in that area, I would not be real happy that a UPC man is coming to anther NON UPC church in my city, and in many ways working against my local assembly.

So my question first would be WHY is the EVANGELIST not going to the local UPC church instead??

I think this is a very sad statement. If a UPC guy came to preach for us, we would not be "working against" the local UPC churches. Why can't we all work together anyway?

P.S. No UPC guy has preached for us in a very LONG time. Even before Res. 3, it was not allowed. However, we have preached in some UPC churches recently.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Sam

16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Proverbs 6:16-19

How many of the above verses could be applied to the attitude and actions of those who judge, malign, shun and disfellowship fellow members of the Body of Christ and who tell ministers where they may or may not minister?

It scares me to think about how much of that I'M guilty of just being me! Ok, maybe I haven't shed any innocent blood -yet, but the rest has occasionally wormed its way in........

[Sherri]

To quote John Maxwell.........
"The issue is never the issue; the issue is always CONTROL."

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Matthew, it doesn't work that way.

The other church would probably never have that evangelist because they may not have the same relationship with him as the independent did.

Bro, I hope you know I can be just as anti UPC as the next man , I think for the most part Orgs are just walls of disunity and separation to the body of Christ.

But to me if a man is in an org, he should have some kind of loyalty while in it. And that should include not stepping on a UPC pastor in the same city in order to go to a Non UPC church. It just don't sit right with me. The same courtesy should be shown to the local UPC assembly of having a revival to help them first prior to going across the city to another that is not UPC.

I could be wrong, but it just doesn't sit right with me.

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Sherri

To quote John Maxwell.........
"The issue is never the issue; the issue is always CONTROL."

Exactly.

Some men will never have enough of it.

Those negatively impacted by that spirit of oppression will quietly leave.

[DividedThigh]

the behavior this thread is speaking is exactly why res 3 should have never been passed, good grief, the people that wanted this will be the first ones to abuse it, dt