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10-23-2007, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by pelathais
Has anyone expressed it in those terms? I'm curious to see the justification for such a position.
Personally I've never seen anyone say anything like that before.
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Not in those exact words, but the disdain runs like a river when baptism is mentioned, sometimes.
"Sacremental regenerationalists" is a phrase DA uses a lot.
I have no real interest in digging up everybody's posts, I have just been around here for about a year now, and have seen enough.
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10-23-2007, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Not in those exact words, but the disdain runs like a river when baptism is mentioned, sometimes.
"Sacremental regenerationalists" is a phrase DA uses a lot.
I have no real interest in digging up everybody's posts, I have just been around here for about a year now, and have seen enough.
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I do not agree there is any disdain for baptism. I feel that it is one of the most important things there is in life. Though I do not totally agree with everyones opinion on this I do agree that baptism is muy importante.
I do believe baptism should be administered in Jesus name, but I have no problem with adding F,S and HG to it. That way it covers what Jesus said and fulfills what Acts to confirms.
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10-23-2007, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by freeatlast
You know the answer's you'll get Kutless and from who you'll get them.
All the instances in the bible, what was recorded that was said varied from one verse to the other.
Do we really think God will disanul someones salvation over the words above being said in baptism?
I know some of us do. The work of the cross disqualified over a technicality.
I truly believe God is smart enough to know it is He, that is being refered to that "Formula"
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FAL, I agree - IF the work of the cross could be disqualified over a technicality I am quite sure none of us actually qualify.
Somewhere our doctrine has an impurity, but yet I rest in the assurance of Christ's work on the cross to make me perfect.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
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10-23-2007, 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
There are lots of folks on AFF that view baptism that way. It's nothing more to them than an embarrassing inconvenient tradition.
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This would not be me.
Christian Baptism is the new believer's rite of passage of sorts. It is something to be heralded to the world.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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10-23-2007, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
FAL, I agree - IF the work of the cross could be disqualified over a technicality I am quite sure none of us actually qualify.
I am sure somewhere our doctrine has an impurity, but yet I rest in the assurance of Christ's work on the cross to make me perfect.
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You should be OK there Kut ! Some trust in their "rightness"...I'll trust in the cross and Jesus rightousness, imputed to me.
Wer had this conversation some time back on baptism and does it have to be done EXACTLY has we think we see in scripture.
You don't have to be much of a historical student of time of Christ or our Jewish roots to know that those that are taken under the water by the hands of another have not been baptized the way it was in done in the time of the apostles.
History will confirm that the early church baptism's , which were nothing new to the Jewish converts, were merely an extension of the Jewish Mikvah.
It is accepted among Hewbraic scholars that the earliset converst were baptized naked. They immersed themselves, no one could touch the person immersing themselves.
There's lots more but it's just easier to say it's my way or the hi way (to hell)
Yes Kutless..I think "we" are much more concerned with doctrinal purity than God is.
OK boys ...let the stones fly.
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10-23-2007, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
I have heard that some baptize "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost WHICH IS Jesus Christ!
Either way, the magic word is spoken!
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I surely hope you meant that TIC
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
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10-23-2007, 08:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by freeatlast
You know the answer's you'll get Kutless and from who you'll get them.
All the instances in the bible, what was recorded that was said varied from one verse to the other.
Do we really think God will disanul someones salvation over the words above being said in baptism?
I know some of us do. The work of the cross disqualified over a technicality.
I truly believe God is smart enough to know it is He, that is being refered to that "Formula"
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If someone prays to Allah, does "I truly believe God is smart enough to know it is He, that is being referred to" still work?
Or how about if Noah used something other than what God told him to build an ark, does God say "Im sure he meant well" and wink at his disobedience?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-23-2007, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
FAL, I agree - IF the work of the cross could be disqualified over a technicality I am quite sure none of us actually qualify.
Somewhere our doctrine has an impurity, but yet I rest in the assurance of Christ's work on the cross to make me perfect.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
This would not be me.
Christian Baptism is the new believer's rite of passage of sorts. It is something to be heralded to the world.
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Well stated. We are to follow in Christ's footsteps, and His footsteps were prefigured in the OT typology. There are lots of examples and reasons given to go through the waters of baptism, but how well we perform is no grounds for boasting because it is through the blood that we have redemption and forgiveness of sins.
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10-23-2007, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam
Well, in my opinion:
the heart condition of the one being baptized is more important than the amount of water used and the words that are spoken.
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That it is more important, Sam, does NOT mean what words were spoken have no importance whatsoever...
One might argue the heart is more important than the kidneys, but unless you want to spend your life on Dialysis or get a transplant, you'd still see the importance of the kidneys too, no matter how more important the heart is
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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10-23-2007, 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam
I have not been there so I can't verify that this is true, but i have read that a UPC church in Newark, Ohio insists on, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
That's the formula Kenneth Hagin recommended in a book that I read a while back.
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My question is...does out faith and practices come from the bible or do they come from a hybrid man made version?
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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