Preserving the Institution of Marriage

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Perhaps God chose to punish us for a season because of persons who chose not to vote?

Come on now Brother please answer--yes or no.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by UltraLib

Scott Hutchenson,

God can sit up someone like Hitler up for a season just as he sit up Pharoh.

And you know during WW.2 many dispensationalists and premillenialists thought Hitler was doing God's will because they thought He was bringing judgements on the Jews for their rejection of Christ.
God is God and can do what He wants but I can't see people like Hitler and Stalin as God ordained leaders.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by UltraLib

You are talking about 2 different kingdoms. Jesus said that his kingdom was not of this world. So what kingdom do you live in? If this one, then follow on. But I choose to live in the kingdom of my personal savior. And he commands me to love. all other commands are done when we simply love. The lost are not one by how much theology we can give them. they are one win we love them. After they are one, God will lead them into all truth. But it will not be rules. It will be relationship.

The original premise of the thread which you obviously are in opposition to has to do with legalizing same sex marriage, not banning it. By your actions you obviously take umbrage with that. But by following your logic God placed those in power who have chosen NOT to pass such law. Therefore by maintaining the status quo we are supporting God.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

And you know during WW.2 many dispensationalists and premillenialists thought Hitler was doing God's will because they thought He was bringing judgements on the Jews for their rejection of Christ.
God is God and can do what He wants but I can't see people like Hitler and Stalin as God ordained leaders.

So God did not appoint them? yes/no? If I may ask?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Come on now Brother please answer--yes or no.

That was my answer "brother"

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Rudy

The word of God makes it clear that he and he alone appoints all authority.

And we are the instruments which he has chosen to use to appoint authority in this country.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

And we are the instruments which he has chosen to use to appoint authority in this country.

I don't see that in scripture.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Rudy to be honest with you I don't see Hitler Or Stalin appointed by God.
The principle of leadership is appointed by God,but I don't see every individual leader as God-ordained.

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Rudy to be honest with you I don't see Hitler Or Stalin appointed by God.
The principle of leadership is appointed by God,but I don't see every individual leader as God-ordained.

Will this help.

God rules the nations and appoints authority.

Here we see where God appoints all authority.

Romans 13
Submit to Government
Obey Authorities; Love Your Neighbor; Put on Christ
1. Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is noauthority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. 2. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves

Col 1:16-17
16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.


Job 34:24
He breaks in pieces mighty men without inquiry, and sets others in their place.

Daniel 4:17
"This decision is by the decree of the watchers, And the sentence by the word of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High rules in the kingdom of men, Gives it to whomever He will, And sets over it the lowest of men.'

Psa 75: 6-7. 6. For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south.
7But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.

Dan 2:21. And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth upkings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:

1 Peter 3:22
who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him.

John 19:9-11 (New King James Version

9 and went again into the Praetorium, and said to Jesus, “Where are You from?” But Jesus gave him no answer. 10 Then Pilate said to Him, “Are You not speaking to me? Do You not know that I have power to crucify You, and power to release You?” 11 Jesus answered, “You could have no power at all against Me unless it had been given you from above. Therefore the one who delivered Me to you has the greater sin.”

Psalm 103:19 The LORD has established His throne in the heavens; And His sovereignty rules over all.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Rudy I haven't got time right now but if those verses are broken down in their proper contexts and looked at in their original settings there are quite alot of things to learn from them.