Growth by Pruning... - Page 2

BrotherEastman · #11 10-06-2007, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

This small article is fascinating to me.

JTullock and I attended the "grand opening" of a LifeChurch.tv satellite campus. It was a new and very different experience. I liked the marketing and pre-opening buildup their marketing department did, via billboards, newspapers and the internet. (Not sure if they used tv ads or not - I don't have a tv.)

I like the thought pattern here, though it completely goes against traditional UPC thought . . . which is hold on to people at any cost. I can definitely see the benefits for both the church and the "dead-weight" saint.

I think if more Pastors utilized this train of thought, there would be healthier churches, more growth and less-stressed ministers who are currently strained and weary from dealing with unhappy, dead-weight saints who take too much of the Pastors valuable time and don't contribute to the work of the church ministry.

Along the same line of thought . . . perhaps the UPC should support and help expedite the move of conservatives out of the organization. It's clear conservatives don't like the course they feel the UPC is taking . . . so why force them or try to beg them to stay when they'll only be unhappy and will do little to help the organization as a whole. (As noted before, many of those leaving haven't really been a part of the organization the past few years anyway.)

What say you?

So, are you saying that the consevatives should leave an org. that they started?

BrotherEastman · #12 10-06-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by FRINGE_NUTTER

All of the conservatives will NOT leave the UPCI. There will be a group that stays and complains and complains and stays and complains, complains, and complains. I know this for a fact. Anyone agree? They stay for various reasons but they are unhappy.

Not so, the ones that are unhappy have just as much right to change the things that they do or do not like within this org. Or is it the intent of the libs to kick me out? Not gonna happen, I was here first.

BrotherEastman · #13 10-06-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

So, maybe AFF would be better off if we got rid of you?

There's a thought.

BrotherEastman · #14 10-06-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

Oh snap!

But what's the benefit for AFF and me? (note: I had thought of leaving because of all the drama recently...but I decided that even though I may disagree with my brethren from the other side, they need the balance I provide.) hint hint

Now your gettin it!

Old Paths · #15 10-06-2007, 06:31 PM

Amazing.

If a conservative pastor tried this approach he would be "tarred and feathered" and it would be screamed from the housetops that he was a dictator for running folks off from THEIR church.

Everyone that left would be poor wounded sheep and the bleeding heart liberals on AFF would console them with "love" on 10 threads and 3,000 posts.

ABSOLUTELY AMAZING

BrotherEastman · #16 10-06-2007, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

Hey, I figured out a few months ago that UPC would be better off without me. That's why I encouraged them to vote IN FAVOR of Resolution 4. Remember?

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...&referrerid=56

Rev R. with all due respect, I know that you are a man of influence, and I can't but help to believe that perhaps you could've been a force within this org. if you wanted to be. ( I say this to you with high regard )

Old Paths · #17 10-06-2007, 06:34 PM

Here's the thread title....

Uncaring Hateful Controlling Conservative Pastor Runs 500 Away From THEIR Church

BrotherEastman · #18 10-06-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I remember that thread. And while I think it'd be better for those unhappy with the organization to leave, because of irreconcilable differences . . . I'd hate to lose the balance provided by conservatives.

Good point, if the conservatives were to leave, then they will be just as responsible for the "going to the dogs" syndrome as the more liberals of the org.

Kansas Preacher · #19 10-06-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Rev R. with all due respect, I know that you are a man of influence, and I can't but help to believe that perhaps you could've been a force within this org. if you wanted to be. ( I say this to you with high regard )

Brother Eastman,

I sincerely appreciate the "vote of confidence." I can tell you that I honestly gave it my best shot for many years. For the last 11 years, in fact, I have been DEEPLY involved in the organization. I have served in a number of District level positions, culminating with the office of District Superintendent.

If I thought for one minute that I could make a difference, leaving would be out of the question. God only knows the efforts I put into it (especially in the last three years). I have decided that, quite frankly, there are better things on which to spend my energy than a man made organization. I truly feel that my church suffered as a result of the time and efforts I poured into trying to "be a force within the org.," as you put it.

I am walking away with a peace in my heart that I gave it my best shot. Now, it's time for me to move on. I trust that you understand.

BrotherEastman · #20 10-06-2007, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kansas Preacher

Brother Eastman,

I sincerely appreciate the "vote of confidence." I can tell you that I honestly gave it my best shot for many years. For the last 11 years, in fact, I have been DEEPLY involved in the organization. I have served in a number of District level positions, culminating with the office of District Superintendent.

If I thought for one minute that I could make a difference, leaving would be out of the question. God only knows the efforts I put into it (especially in the last three years). I have decided that, quite frankly, there are better things on which to spend my energy than a man made organization. I truly feel that my church suffered as a result of the time and efforts I poured into trying to "be a force within the org.," as you put it.

I am walking away with a peace in my heart that I gave it my best shot. Now, it's time for me to move on. I trust that you understand.

Brother Riggen

I know that you were in the higher levels within the UPC. I also appreciate the fact that you councled other ministers to use proper judgement in thier decisions concerning this matter. I thank God that you would rather devote your time to the work within your local assembly, but there are others that look to you (including other men of God) for leadership. Your choices do have an impact upon them. Again, I say this w/respect and admiration for your calling.