Esther are you reading this?? wow that is outragous!
and that fact that you knew these people says a lot
Epley, my question to you is, Did you know all these when you was in the branhamite group ?? if so, what did you think then? what was the thing that made you leave it ?
There were several splinter groups and many of the 'core' friends of branham believed this.
Thad they do not believe he was Elijah reincarnated but Elijah just the same. He taught 5 appearings of Elijah and he was the fifth.
Kenod Luther & Wesley neither preached the doctrine of the Apostles. Neither were saved. Branham was confused concerning salvation.
Bro. Epley, do you know when he got off balance?
I understand in the beginning he was on target.
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Thad they do not believe he was Elijah reincarnated but Elijah just the same. He taught 5 appearings of Elijah and he was the fifth.Kenod Luther & Wesley neither preached the doctrine of the Apostles. Neither were saved. Branham was confused concerning salvation.
uuuuhh?? where in the world did they get this teaching from?? i have never read that in the bible !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how was Branham confused on salvation? did he ever water Baptize his converts ?
when I cant answer but anything in the form of future prediction and any of his "teaching" are not balanced.
God used him in the area of word of knowlege and healing. when he decided he was something special and started trying to expand beyond his calling, he got into a ditch.
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when I cant answer but anything in the form of future prediction and any of his "teaching" are not balanced.
God used him in the area of word of knowlege and healing. when he decided he was something special and started trying to expand beyond his calling, he got into a ditch.
I have heard that, but do you know WHEN that was?
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not believing that Branham was Elijah is a contradiction to what HE taught and what most believe.
go ahead and expand a little
I've never heard anyone say that William Branham was Elijah reincarnated. Most, if not all Message believers, say that he completed the Elijah ministry prophesied in Malachi 4:5-6. Like John the Baptist he came in the "spirit and power of Elijah" (Luke 1:17).
William Branham never explicitly stated that he was that Elijah but I can see where he implied it on a number of occasions.
John the Baptist turned the hearts of the fathers to the children - we believe Brother Branham's ministry was to turn the hearts of the children to their fathers.
Other Bible teachers see another coming of Elijah before "the great and dreadful day of the Lord", but place it in the Tribulation period as one of the two witnesses (Rev11). I also believe that.
My OPINION (and it only that) Branham had no roots the church he was baptized in was by a preacher who called himself a Spirit-filled Baptist (that was unheard of then). A good friend of mine who help to promote him early in his first crusades at St. Louis-Jonesboro-Little Rock-Shreveport-Pensacola-Miami were all Oneness men. Branham left the baptizing to them although he did baptize in Jesus Name and preached the Oneness of God. Jack Moore introduced him to Gordon Lindsay(remember the Latter Rain movement had just gained momentum). Lindsay introduced him to the Latter Rain movement. He became friends with F.F. Bosworth who left the AG over teaching tongues was not the initial evidence of the HG Branham picked this up from him. The majority of miracles that are published took place from the late 40's through 55. In 56 he had a complete nervous breakdown and was reclused for a season in Mexico. When he came out his core followers who were Latter Rain rejects that has strange teachings became his core followers. Not saying no miracles happened after that but they diminished greatly. I think Branham came under the influence of evil spirits that affected his teaching and bizarre doctrine and over the top experiences. All this is MY opinion not necessarily the facts.
Brother Epley,
I could well be mistaken, but as a Christian I try my very best to always be honest.
As I see it, the only application of OT polygamy in the NT is that the man is given permission to divorce his wife and remarry for “the cause of fornication". The woman is not given the same right.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
If some people want to interpret what William Branham said to trade their old wife in for a new one, that is between them and God. I cannot see where he ever approved of that. All the following comments were made after he preached M&D.
THINGS.THAT.ARE.TO.BE (65-1205)
125 I think a real, genuine sister, there's nothing any nicer. If God could give a man anything better than salvation, He'd give him a wife. See? And so, then, if He could give anything better, He would have done it. And then to see some of them turn and don't even act like a wife, unloyal to their marriage vows, and their husbands the same. Remember, you're bound as long as you live, to one another. "What God joins on earth, joined in Heaven also."
THE.CHOOSING.OF.A.BRIDE (65-0429E)
46 Now, if the spiritual or... The natural is a type of the spiritual. Then, the choosing of a bride, in the natural, is a type of choosing a Bride, the Bride, in the spiritual. Now, it's a serious thing when we go to choose a wife, a man, for the vows here is until death do we part. That's how we should keep it. And you take that vow before God, that only death will separate you.
THE.CHOOSING.OF.A.BRIDE (65-0429E)
133 Now, notice again how the natural bride types the spiritual. The Word says, that, "She was made for man, and not man made for her."
Now I'm going to speak, and why, in a few minutes, on the Bride of Christ, but I'm trying to show you the background of it.
"Woman was made for man, and not man for woman." That's the reason, under the old laws, that polygamy was legal.
INVISIBLE.UNION.OF.THE.BRIDE (65-1125) 13-6 She must not defile that virtue. If she even does something wrong, she must confess that to her husband before he takes her; and make it right. Just the same as the church that was married to the law has to come also before Christ, before the second marriage; she has to confess that. If she doesn't and she lives with her husband for ten years and then confesses it, he has a right to put her away and marry another woman. That's the Scripture. Fornication is unclean living.
Brother Epley,
I could well be mistaken, but as a Christian I try my very best to always be honest.
As I see it, the only application of OT polygamy in the NT is that the man is given permission to divorce his wife and remarry for “the cause of fornication". The woman is not given the same right.
Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
If some people want to interpret what William Branham said to trade their old wife in for a new one, that is between them and God. I cannot see where he ever approved of that. All the following comments were made after he preached M&D.
THINGS.THAT.ARE.TO.BE (65-1205)
125 I think a real, genuine sister, there's nothing any nicer. If God could give a man anything better than salvation, He'd give him a wife. See? And so, then, if He could give anything better, He would have done it. And then to see some of them turn and don't even act like a wife, unloyal to their marriage vows, and their husbands the same. Remember, you're bound as long as you live, to one another. "What God joins on earth, joined in Heaven also."
THE.CHOOSING.OF.A.BRIDE (65-0429E)
46 Now, if the spiritual or... The natural is a type of the spiritual. Then, the choosing of a bride, in the natural, is a type of choosing a Bride, the Bride, in the spiritual. Now, it's a serious thing when we go to choose a wife, a man, for the vows here is until death do we part. That's how we should keep it. And you take that vow before God, that only death will separate you.
THE.CHOOSING.OF.A.BRIDE (65-0429E)
133 Now, notice again how the natural bride types the spiritual. The Word says, that, "She was made for man, and not man made for her."
Now I'm going to speak, and why, in a few minutes, on the Bride of Christ, but I'm trying to show you the background of it.
"Woman was made for man, and not man for woman." That's the reason, under the old laws, that polygamy was legal.
INVISIBLE.UNION.OF.THE.BRIDE (65-1125) 13-6 She must not defile that virtue. If she even does something wrong, she must confess that to her husband before he takes her; and make it right. Just the same as the church that was married to the law has to come also before Christ, before the second marriage; she has to confess that. If she doesn't and she lives with her husband for ten years and then confesses it, he has a right to put her away and marry another woman. That's the Scripture. Fornication is unclean living.
Kenod I certainly don't mean to impugh your honesty if it sounded that way I apologize I just don't have alot of tolerance for this teaching or teachers. I wasted nearly 10 years of my life in this mess. So I will try to adjust my tone.
I knew all those quotes yes it seems he teaches that here BUT in Marriage & Divorce he teaches polygamy in his doctrine of 'one and many'. Of course you know that. I don't blame you for trying to find excuses for his off-the-wall teaching but the message itself is clear.
Facts:
1. The founder & publisher of the Spoken Word Publications had a mistress for years besides his wife. This is not a rumor but a fact. He based it on this tape.
2. I can name several groups of prominent men named in Branham tapes that taught and some practiced this(NOT LEGALLY) but had sweethearts on the side using this tape as permission.
3. Branham though he taught against twice-married preachers ordained some on tape and later wrote a letter defending them.
4. Branham had 2 men who were managers and tape men who were under a cloud of being homosexuals for years when they left of their own volition he never condemned them but preached for them at their commune within 2 years of his death. the authorities finally raided this commune after Branham died.
5. Branham allowed FS to be his tape man for years and him telling everyone who would listen that Branham was Jesus Christ.
I do not mean to offend you these are just facts.
I don't know if you are just mistaken or being dishonest. He did NOT say polygamy was just for the OT if so where?????
I did my best to explain how I see that in my post #78.
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How could Satan be woman's designer?
He said "designer" not "creator". He means revealing clothing, make up, hair dos, high heels, etc.
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If God charged the woman with the fall why in scripture referring back to it the MAN not the woman is is listed in every passage besides 1Tim.2:13?
Adam was just as guilty as Eve. The difference is that Eve was deceieved, but Adam was not. 1Tim 2:14And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
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E-24 The Bible said that Adam was not deceived. Adam was not deceived; he knowed just exactly what he was doing. But because of the love that he had for Eve, he walked right out into death with her. Not because he had to, he knowed different. Eve was absolutely deceived. She thought she was right. But Adam knowed better. But he walked out with her and took death with her.
Was a great sign that the Church, the Bride, was guilty. Christ was not guilty. But He become guilty to die the death for His Church. To redeem her He went to death with her.
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You have to know some prominent followers practiced polygamy? Couldn't marry but had a sweetheart on the side?
I don't know that, but I do know there are those who will fall into sin.
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Branham's definition of fornication including a woman cutting her hair.
There is a spiritual fornication (Rev 14:8) and a physical fornication (Mat 19:9). William Branham only ever said that the latter is grounds for a man to remarry, and in that context he always defined it as undisclosed premarital sex.
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