NEWS FLASH! The Cons getting cold Feet?????????????

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Thad

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Just heard today that 2 Cons that had previously told their churches that if the resolution Passes, they were leaving UPC. WELL, on second thought, they have recanted this Idea and said they are not leaving after all !!!!!

WHY ????? well, from what i understand, they have been warned that other UPC churches would immediately be planted in their areas making such a decision a threat.

Did anyone see this coming ???? DO you think others will get cold feet ?

Thad, A UPC church is no threat to a church that has left the UPC.

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

I want to ask the question why is it not right to have a church based upon a nationality? We have many of them in our church... we have a Korean church, we have a Spanish church, we have a Indian church and we have a African church and they are also welcomed at all of our regular services but we have chosen to have church for them also on their own because... if we had an interpreter for every nationality we had it would just not work and the demographics of where we are located just make this the right solution... (also has something to do with the fact that we couldnt fit another 500 or so in our sanctuary on a sunday service right now either...

you are reading "language" into "nationality"

IF everyone speaks English, it is not ok to have an English speaking church that is only for, say, white people, or latino people where other nationalities are not welcome (whether overtly or covertly)

HOWEVER, if the church does everything in, say, Spanish, then those who don't speak spanish are unlikely to go there, but that's ok...

It is not ok to bar people from going to your church, or only aim your church, at people of a certain nationality, that would be racism... But if it is based upon language barriers it is not racism...

does that make sense?

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

you are reading "language" into "nationality"

IF everyone speaks English, it is not ok to have an English speaking church that is only for, say, white people, or latino people where other nationalities are not welcome (whether overtly or covertly)

HOWEVER, if the church does everything in, say, Spanish, then those who don't speak spanish are unlikely to go there, but that's ok...

It is not ok to bar people from going to your church, or only aim your church, at people of a certain nationality, that would be racism... But if it is based upon language barriers it is not racism...

does that make sense?

Ok I do see where you are coming from now but I read it differently in Bro B's and your correspondence... I need to wake up I guess... Oh well heading to ladies bible study maybe I will be awake by then LOL

Originally Posted by AmazingGrace

Ok I do see where you are coming from now but I read it differently in Bro B's and your correspondence... I need to wake up I guess... Oh well heading to ladies bible study maybe I will be awake by then LOL

my initial question was because he based it on nationality (brazilian) not language (portugese)... that was why I questioned what he was saying, because there is no "Brazilian" language (they speak Portugese)

[AmazingGrace]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

my initial question was because he based it on nationality (brazilian) not language (portugese)... that was why I questioned what he was saying, because there is no "Brazilian" language (they speak Portugese)

Correct and I see that now. I had to reread what you stated earlier... I am with ya now... like I said just still asleep I think

[chseeads]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

seriously??

I could see mid-sized, but how is 200-250 people big?

In this area there are a lot of churches and none of them are huge. The 200-250 range are among the largest.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

you are reading "language" into "nationality"

IF everyone speaks English, it is not ok to have an English speaking church that is only for, say, white people, or latino people where other nationalities are not welcome (whether overtly or covertly)

HOWEVER, if the church does everything in, say, Spanish, then those who don't speak spanish are unlikely to go there, but that's ok...

It is not ok to bar people from going to your church, or only aim your church, at people of a certain nationality, that would be racism... But if it is based upon language barriers it is not racism...

does that make sense?

What did you just say?

Originally Posted by chseeads

In this area there are a lot of churches and none of them are huge. The 200-250 range are among the largest.

ours is "among the largest" (with a few semi-super church exceptions) among Apostlic churches around here, too, but its far from large... at least it doesn't really seem large...

Originally Posted by Felicity

What did you just say?

racism is bad...

building a church based upon racism is bad...

but building a church that speaks a language because there are many who don't speak English in that area is fine....

[chseeads]

Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84

ours is "among the largest" (with a few semi-super church exceptions) among Apostlic churches around here, too, but its far from large... at least it doesn't really seem large...

Just depends on your frame of reference what large is. Compare a grain of sand and a marble, a marble is large...compare a marble and a basketball, a marble is small.