Serious Pants/ Skirts Question... Not Trying to Debate... Thanks!

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I really would like to get the opinions of some of the conservative brethren. Serious opinions, not jabs like "lost as two boys kissing"... thanks!

Sorry, I thought you wanted scriptural opinions. The UC's only have serious opinions.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Sorry, I thought you wanted scriptural opinions. The UC's only have serious opinions.

I want "serious scriptural" opinions!

Actually, I would like to hear the reasoning of someone who would say "his position is not acceptible"... how do they come to that conclusion?

If it's acceptible for this baptist guy who just got the "truth", then why would it not be acceptible for OP preachers of today to reevaluate their traditional position?

[Esther]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I want "serious scriptural" opinions!

Actually, I would like to hear the reasoning of someone who would say "his position is not acceptible"... how do they come to that conclusion?

If it's acceptible for this baptist guy who just got the "truth", then why would it not be acceptible for OP preachers of today to reevaluate their traditional position?

tradition

I have no problem with anyone using as a line that they have drawn, but teach it as such.

However, many honestly believe that is what that scripture means, and I can respect that.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

Please understand that I am not trying to stir the proverbial pot here. I have a sincere question that I am trying to find the answer to.

Consider the hypothetical: A person, say a baptist preacher somewhere in the US where there is no OP church etc..., is studying the bible, and seeking God in prayer. During this time of seeking God, he discovers the truth of Jesus name baptism, Holy Ghost infilling and tongues, and the oneness of God. Now in trying to please God, and studying the scriptures for more truth, this baptist (formerly baptist) minister stumbles across Deut 22:5. In his study, and considering society of the last 30 years (say this pastor is @ 30 years old), he is trying to find a way to apply gender distinction in dress in a way that is relevant for today. In the society he has grown up in, both women and man wear pants. So in his study he DOES NOT come to the same conclusions regarding pants/skirts that traditional OP's adhere to. Is this person's position acceptible in the sight of God? He is now teaching his congregation and baptizing them in Jesus name, teaching them to seek the Holy Ghost, and is teaching them to lead a seperated life, but he simply has not come to the same conclusion as OP's regarding pants/skirts. Is this a tenable positions for this "baptist" minister? Can he maintain this position and still be acceptible in the sight of God?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Joseph

He's lost as two boys kissing.

Originally Posted by Esther

What!

I was just filling in for Bro Epley until he gets here.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by BobDylan

I want "serious scriptural" opinions!

Actually, I would like to hear the reasoning of someone who would say "his position is not acceptible"... how do they come to that conclusion?

If it's acceptible for this baptist guy who just got the "truth", then why would it not be acceptible for OP preachers of today to reevaluate their traditional position?

Many are/have.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Joseph

I was just filling in for Bro Epley until he gets here.

hehehe

[HangingOut]

Been around enough UC's to know that they would play the submission to authority card if you want in certain fellowship circles. What else could they say? When we moved from one state to another many years ago we had come from a very high profile church in the UPCtime known for liberalism.
The incoming pastor (UC) was very polite, but suggested we visit around first. He called back a week or so later. We had been leaning toward that church and ended up there for over 4 years. Left on good note with him and almost the whole congregation. Point being he wasn't so sure he wanted us at first.

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by Esther

tradition

I have no problem with anyone using as a line that they have drawn, but teach it as such.

However, many honestly believe that is what that scripture means, and I can respect that.

Are you speaking of the traditional OP interpretation and application? How was this passage interpreted and applied 2000 years ago? What if you wipe out the history of American culture, except for the way people have dressed for the last 30 years, how would it be possible to come to this traditional conclusion?

Consider, that OP's today who appeal to the pants/skirts interpretation of Deut 22:5 are doing so from a 1940's socitie's paradigm. If you were to only use the paradigm of "men's/women's" apparel for society of the last 30 years, what would be the most probable interpretation and application? Would people arbitrarily conclude pants/skirts? Or is there another tenable conclusion that they could arrive at besides "pants/skirts" and still be consistent with the "spirit" of the law of Deut 22:5?

[BobDylan]

Originally Posted by HangingOut

Been around enough UC's to know that they would play the submission to authority card if you want in certain fellowship circles. What else could they say? When we moved from one state to another many years ago we had come from a very high profile church in the UPCtime known for liberalism.
The incoming pastor (UC) was very polite, but suggested we visit around first. He called back a week or so later. We had been leaning toward that church and ended up there for over 4 years. Left on good note with him and almost the whole congregation. Point being he wasn't so sure he wanted us at first.

If you didn't agree with the UC preacher's stance, then why did you choose to go there? Were they having revival?