Resolution #4: What it's NOT About!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

Sir, when it comes down to it, you and I probably won't agree on much at all. My problem is not whether you watch tv or not (unless you are a licensed upc minister). It is with men that sign an AS stating that they do NOT have a television in their homes when they do. This called lying. When one may not have a television in his home and yet goes to the motel, or a family's house, and watches it, it is called hypocritical. And then they have the audacity to want a voice and a vote at GC!

Do you not see that they should NOT have ANY say so as to what is allowed or disallowed??? Do you see my point?

These are my points exactly. If the TV watching preachers in the UPC would be real men and do the right thing and turn in their card, we would not even be having this discussion. There is no way TV would pass at GC if all the "hypocrite" would not vote. Why is it that the TV watching libs want to change the UPC. Why can't they start there own organization?

Originally Posted by Pianoman

Also, I can take every negative reason for not watching TV and apply it to an "approved" media.

That is my thing. I can see OP_Carl's point... I don't deny that this is an issue. But to me, if I take that train of thought, I have to also apply the same logic to radio, printed media and the internet.

You can't condemn a technology because of some or even MOST of the content that is available on it... (thinking internet here again).

Anyway, sorry for making a mess in your thread earlier... this is why I shouldn't post. I can't play nice...

[Tyrel Sackett]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

i see your point and you are right we wouldnt agree on much, but i think what you said is true, and i would never agree with them lying or being hypocritical at all, i dont have a problem with your stance, i personally am just not comfortable with judging, peace brother, dt

I am not judging. I simply state reality. If there be any judging, it falls from the Word of God. The bible states that all liars shall have their part in hell. MBlume spoke that Jesus, Himself, had a problem with hypocrits. Is my problem unjustified?

NOTE: I am all for repentance and I hope that they have gotten it all right. I simply have my doubts though.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

I am not judging. I simply state reality. If there be any judging, it falls from the Word of God. The bible states that all liars shall have their part in hell. MBlume spoke that Jesus, Himself, had a problem with hypocrits. Is my problem unjustified?

NOTE: I am all for repentance and I hope that they have gotten it all right. I simply have my doubts though.

once again i agree with you, your problem is justified, but not with me, i am not nor will i ever be a member of the upci, but i attend a upc church, and am very happy, god bless you, dt

[Tyrel Sackett]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

These are my points exactly. If the TV watching preachers in the UPC would be real men and do the right thing and turn in their card, we would not even be having this discussion. There is no way TV would pass at GC if all the "hypocrite" would not vote. Why is it that the TV watching libs want to change the UPC. Why can't they start there own organization?

Because they want MEN like you and I too look as if we are against revival, against change, etc... They want us look like the descenters, troublemakers and meanies. They want it to look like we are the cause of the split.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

As has been stated on this forum before, sometimes a level of civil disobedience is required to force a change within a tightly structured organization. One can't change an organization from the outside, so one must try from the inside!

I thought of an example:

It will be civil disobedience to withhold money raised for "Sheaves For Christ" if the resolution passes! In fact, there could be lawsuits from those who made donations believing it would go to "Sheaves For Christ".

This civil disobedience is justified in their minds because they want to send a message!

[Tyrel Sackett]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

once again i agree with you, your problem is justified, but not with me, i am not nor will i ever be a member of the upci, but i attend a upc church, and am very happy, god bless you, dt

You better stop this! You're a lib, I'm a con... we can't agree twice in one day!


(Now where is that preaching smilie???)
Beware lest conviction fall on you and you repent of your evil ways.

Originally Posted by RevDWW

It's good you keep to your personal convictions.

But why no conviction against the Internet? Doesn't that seem to be a bit inconsistent?

I don't believe this is inconsistant at all. I use internet mainly for only a few things. I look at this forum to keep up with the liberal wing of pentecost, I take online classes, and I buy books on ebay. I don't break any Articles of Faith stands by doing so. Whoever said that the push/pull principle doesn't work is wrong. I look at only those things that I want to see. I have no fear of some junk just pooping up, I have pop-up blockers and an internet filter for that. Again we're back to the fact that liberals will use any excuss possible to justify watching TV. If you watch TV that's fine with me, it doesn't bother me at all. Go ahead, watch wifeswap, southpark, baywatch re-runs, anything you want, I don't have a problem with you doing so unless you are a UPC minister. TV pushes that junk on you, but I do have to pull tht junk out of the internet.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Tyrel Sackett

You better stop this! You're a lib, I'm a con... we can't agree twice in one day!


(Now where is that preaching smilie???)
Beware lest conviction fall on you and you repent of your evil ways.

well my friend,no one that really knows me would call me a lib, i actually belong to the ultra cons politically and the cons religiously, but dont tell anybody, lol, dont pass out, dt by the way, i for one still beleive the bible, and have my integrity intact, amen

[Tyrel Sackett]

Originally Posted by UltraCon

I don't believe this is inconsistant at all. I use internet mainly for only a few things. I look at this forum to keep up with the liberal wing of pentecost, I take online classes, and I buy books on ebay. I don't break any Articles of Faith stands by doing so. Whoever said that the push/pull principle doesn't work is wrong. I look at only those things that I want to see. I have no fear of some junk just pooping up, I have pop-up blockers and an internet filter for that. Again we're back to the fact that liberals will use any excuss possible to justify watching TV. If you watch TV that's fine with me, it doesn't bother me at all. Go ahead, watch wifeswap, southpark, baywatch re-runs, anything you want, I don't have a problem with you doing so unless you are a UPC minister. TV pushes that junk on you, but I do have to pull tht junk out of the internet.

LOL!!!



You know someone is going to step in that!