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08-15-2007, 08:55 AM
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Crackin' Down on Deadbeat Dads
The price of a passport: $311,491 in back child support payments for a U.S. businessman now living in China; $46,000 for a musician seeking to perform overseas, and $45,849 for a man planning a Dominican Republic vacation.
The new passport requirements that have complicated travel this summer also have uncovered untold numbers of child support scofflaws and forced them to pay millions.
The State Department denies passports to noncustodial parents who owe more than $2,500 in child support. Once the parents make good on their debts, they can reapply for passports.
Now that millions of additional travelers need passports to fly back from Mexico, Canada, the Caribbean and South America, collections under the Passport Denial Program are on pace to about double this year, federal officials told The Associated Press.
In all, states have reported collecting at least $22.5 million through the program thus far in 2007. The money is then forwarded to the parent to whom it is owed.
Some people never learn.
A boxer paid $39,000 in back child support to the state of Nevada last year to get a passport, which he lost. This year, his promoter had to loan him $8,930 so he could pay off his new child support debts and get a new passport to fight overseas.
In one case last year, a man got his parents to pay his overdue child support — $50,498 to the state of Illinois.
"For us, it's been amazing to see how people who owe back child support seem to be able to come up with good chunks of money when it involves needing their passport," said Adolfo Capestany, spokesman for the state of Washington's Division of Child Support. "Folks will do anything to get that passport, so it is a good collection tool."
The $22.5 million reported to have been collected through the program this year is a conservative estimate. Some states voluntarily report the payments to the federal Office of Child Support Enforcement, but other states don't.
It took all of 2006 to collect the same amount under the program, which began in 1998.
Also contributing to the increased collections was a drop in the threshold for reporting child support debts to the State Department, from $5,000 to $2,500. As a result, 400,000 more cases were submitted to the department.
The state of Washington obtained $24,000 for Teresa Markley through the program. The money accrued over a couple of decades. She said she could have really used the money in past years, and at one point in the 1990s went on welfare for a few months to make ends meet. While her children are now grown, she said the payment still meant a great deal to her.
"What it means to me now is just to have some validation for the suffering I went through," said Markley, a resident of Tacoma, Wash.
Jeannette Dean of Seattle said she had to tap into her retirement savings and her son's savings bond to help pay for basic necessities after Washington state was unable to help her collect delinquent child support payments.
But this year, she received about $36,000 through the passport program. She said the money will be used to replenish the lost savings.
"It has given back to having a normal life versus struggling to pay dental bills and hospitals bills and things like that," Dean said.
The passport denial program is just one of several tools the government has to collect overdue child support. Overall collections totaled about $24 billion last year.
The largest share by far — $20.1 billion — came from withholding from a worker's paycheck. Unemployment insurance or state and federal income tax refunds can also be seized. States with lotteries also can deduct delinquent payments from winnings. Some states submit the names of those behind on their payments to credit reporting agencies.
Payments generated through the new passport requirements are an important sliver of what states collect each year on behalf of about 17 million children, said Margot Bean, commissioner for the federal Office of Child Support Enforcement.
"We often get payments of over $100,000," Bean said. "For whatever reason, this was the only way we could get the money."
For some families, the payments can mean the difference between having to rely on the government for assistance or not relying on it, Bean said. In cases where families have needed cash assistance through the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families Program, a portion of the payments received through the passport program is used to reimburse the government.
Another jump in collections from the Passport Denial Program can be expected next year or in early 2009. That's when the new passport requirements will likely take effect for land and sea travelers too.
By KEVIN FREKING, Associated Press Writer
Tue Aug 14, 3:34 PM ET
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08-15-2007, 09:00 AM
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Excellent!
What's stupid is they have enough money to travel, but not pay their child support.......UNTIL they are denied travel, then miraculously, the money is available.
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08-15-2007, 10:00 AM
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haha! that's great!
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08-15-2007, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by rgcraig
Excellent!
What's stupid is they have enough money to travel, but not pay their child support.......UNTIL they are denied travel, then miraculously, the money is available.
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Yeah, I love this policy!
Especially with regards to abandoned women who had committed to staying home and raising their children, they forefeited their earning potential for all those years away from the workplace, and if they return to the workplace, they have to start from scratch and are not paid their worth in light of all those years away from employment.
In light of this, I find it all the more shameful to men who abandon their wives and to top things off, do not rightfully compensate them because of this financial gap between their worth and their having to start from scratch at lower wage rates. Whatever happens between them on a relational level should not take away this obligation that men have....these kind of men are really mouses...girly men.
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08-15-2007, 11:59 AM
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ok - now lets spend a little time talking about deadbeat moms who get said child support - food stamps, government assisted "chidcare" payments (to her mother) gets free medical care from the state..((did we mention that grandmother reports caring for children every day that dont actually ever come to her home?))
Mom has a live in boyfriend who sells pot on the side...but he does have a full time job.
did I mention the mother works full time? making more than the childrens dad..
but the dad pays child support. Even if he's off work b/c he lost his job...he still has to pay HER
Want to know the kicker??
The children live with the dad 90% of the time - he buys all their clothes, shoes, school supplies - even carries them on HIS Insurance so they get better quality health coverage.
oh - and when mom gets mad - she gets free legal assistance.
and she knows she doesnt have to provide for the children b/c the dad wouldnt let his kids suffer b/c of her.
but she cant afford to get one child a winter coat b/c "she has to get the boyfriends child a coat"
so - lets talk about the other side of the coin - not all men who dont step up and pay, are deadbeats.
I will say, there are many that are and mothers that are left to support children when Dad just gives up and walks out.
I have a cousin whos husband walked out - well he actually threw her and the children out of "his house" that his mother bought....and he refuses to sign anything so he doesnt have to pay support...
he got tired b/c one of the children is ADHD among other things.........
he's a classic dead beat dad...
but the dead beat moms need their turn on the altar too
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08-15-2007, 12:02 PM
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Yet another intrusive government program to counteract societal ills instigated largely by prior governmental actions.
Government involvement in family affairs is anathema to a free and self-sufficient society of sovereign citizens.
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08-15-2007, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Theresa
ok - now lets spend a little time talking about deadbeat moms who get said child support - food stamps, government assisted "chidcare" payments (to her mother) gets free medical care from the state..((did we mention that grandmother reports caring for children every day that dont actually ever come to her home?))
Mom has a live in boyfriend who sells pot on the side...but he does have a full time job.
did I mention the mother works full time? making more than the childrens dad..
but the dad pays child support. Even if he's off work b/c he lost his job...he still has to pay HER
Want to know the kicker??
The children live with the dad 90% of the time - he buys all their clothes, shoes, school supplies - even carries them on HIS Insurance so they get better quality health coverage.
oh - and when mom gets mad - she gets free legal assistance.
and she knows she doesnt have to provide for the children b/c the dad wouldnt let his kids suffer b/c of her.
but she cant afford to get one child a winter coat b/c "she has to get the boyfriends child a coat"
so - lets talk about the other side of the coin - not all men who dont step up and pay, are deadbeats.
I will say, there are many that are and mothers that are left to support children when Dad just gives up and walks out.
I have a cousin whos husband walked out - well he actually threw her and the children out of "his house" that his mother bought....and he refuses to sign anything so he doesnt have to pay support...
he got tired b/c one of the children is ADHD among other things.........
he's a classic dead beat dad...
but the dead beat moms need their turn on the altar too
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Agreed, Theresa....this is true also. We need a program that addresses this as well!!
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08-15-2007, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by J-Roc
Agreed, Theresa....this is true also. We need a program that addresses this as well!!
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we cant just shoot 'em?
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08-15-2007, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
Yet another intrusive government program to counteract societal ills instigated largely by prior governmental actions.
Government involvement in family affairs is anathema to a free and self-sufficient society of sovereign citizens.
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A free society needed with regards to enterprise...but not relieve from obligations, IMO.
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