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CC1 · #**121** 08-14-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

True but his uncle told me this? I hope I was told correctly. One of his family members goes to Christ Church.

I have never met the Pope that goes to my church but he is the Uncle of my niece!

What was the subject of this book by a Pope that you refuted?

NLYP · #**122** 08-14-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

I personally think the book title would be considered degrading to any standard believing person. It plainly labels them as a Pharisee.

NO!!!!!!!

He used that title to describe those that take it to the facr right and then insist that others hold to the law!
JUST like the pharisees did!!!!!!!!!!!

NLYP · #**123** 08-14-2007, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I am not convinced that the title alone gives this conotation. The title is more referring to the Elitist attitude about standards more than the accual standards. I have never read the book though I want to. I am just going by my first opinion on the title. I have stated over and over again that I am not against personal standards, but trying to legislate a "holy" lifestyle or dress code is not the right way of God convicting someone. IMO.

NO ONE but God can give someone a true conviction. People tend to build a monument out of a movement. Monuments are great to look at, but not fun to live with. Saying that someone has to dress with standards or else suffer the fire of hell is just not right. That is like someone trying to legislate what is a "real" move of God. No one can do that but God alone! We can call a revival and no one is revived the it is just church. But God when He opens the flood gates we can be having church and revival breaks out!

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!

Steve Epley · #**124** 08-14-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NLYP

THATS EXACTLY RIGHT!
his opening statement is that the book is not meant in any way to tear down anyone that has convictions but to open discussion and ask questions about what is conviction, what is Bible and what is Holiness.

Epely,
If you missed that point then you were to busy protecting your brand of holiness and not listen to the voice of the author.

I certainly did NOT miss the point he attacked holiness standards. His title says is all "Neo-Phariseeism." It was insulting to those of us who teach outward standards and those forefathers who taught us. I gladly confess I am busy defending the BIBLICAL outward standard of holiness I teach and have NO desire to listen to the author.

I would ask a question but I had better not?

NLYP · #**125** 08-14-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I certainly did NOT miss the point he attacked holiness standards. His title says is all "Neo-Phariseeism." It was insulting to those of us who teach outward standards and those forefathers who taught us. I gladly confess I am busy defending the BIBLICAL outward standard of holiness I teach and have NO desire to listen to the author.

I would ask a question but I had better not?

Ask Away...never stopped you before.

NLYP · #**126** 08-14-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I certainly did NOT miss the point he attacked holiness standards. His title says is all "Neo-Phariseeism." It was insulting to those of us who teach outward standards and those forefathers who taught us. I gladly confess I am busy defending the BIBLICAL outward standard of holiness I teach and have NO desire to listen to the author.

I would ask a question but I had better not?

NO HE DID NOT!!!!

He attacked your traditions and THAT is what burns you up!

CC1 · #**127** 08-14-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by NLYP

NO!!!!!!!

He used that title to describe those that take it to the facr right and then insist that others hold to the law!
JUST like the pharisees did!!!!!!!!!!!

You are correct however many UPC and other OTP folks did take offense as they are usually looking to take offense and find it.

Anybody who read the book with an open mind would realize he was not attacking "people" but erroneous concepts and ideas.

I remember talking on the phone to a UPC pastor friend of mine from Bible College that I had not spoke to for years not long after that book came out. We had been having a great conversation until that book came up and his whole demeanor changed. He was livid. He had taken great offense at it. I remember being very surprised then I remembered how reactionary most UPC folks are to their house of cards being challenged. You start tugging at one of those cards and they see the whole house shaking.

When I first read that book I remember wishing I had the money to buy one and mail it to every licensed UPC preacher. For most it would have just been a source of more fiery hold the fort preaching but for a few it would have been confirmation of what they know in their mind, hearts, and souls.

Steve Epley · #**128** 08-14-2007, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I have never met the Pope that goes to my church but he is the Uncle of my niece!

What was the subject of this book by a Pope that you refuted?

The same as DW's. The name was "No Greater Burden." It was written in the late 70's or very early 80's. If I remember correctly he pastored a UPC church in the Atlanta area at one time but I could be wrong. I know he was from Atlanta.