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02-27-2007, 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Sabellius
Justification:
The doctrine of Justification knows at least two views (both views were presented at the 2003 UGST Symposium) in the UPC. Dr. Bernard holds the most prominent view (Justification after the entire New Birth) and then there is the view of Dr. Segraves (Justification at the point of faith). The latter view is the one I hold. I would caution my friends and enemies, at this point however, that this view does not do violence to what we currently believe about the New Birth--for the most part (some people have some odd ideas).
In Genesis 15:5-6 Abraham’s only response to God’s promise, at this point, was that "he believed in the LORD." The verb translated "believed," indicates that Abraham trusted God to keep His promise. Actually no other response was expected or possible at this point. Although the genuineness of Abraham’s faith was later demonstrated, in a tangible way, as he offered Isaac, it serves Paul’s purpose to focus on the fact that Abraham was justified apart from and prior to works (the same example is given of David in Romans 4:5-8). I believe that, although faith results in obedience to God’s commands, justification occurs at the point of faith.
Genesis 15:6 indicates that because Abraham trusted in the LORD, God imputed or reckoned righteousness to Him. Because Abraham trusted God, he had a relationship with God. Genesis 15:6 says nothing about Abraham’s personal righteousness; it does not suggest that righteousness was imparted to him so that he was regenerated. In fact, according to Paul, just the opposite was the case: God “justifies the ungodly” ( Romans 4:5). The only possible meaning for this is that when ungodly persons put their trust in God, their “faith is accounted for righteousness” ( Romans 4:5). |
I will be posting a new thread on this topic of justification and remission ... Sabellius ... I think it's an important topic .... and fascinating that there are atleast 4 schools of thought ... please look for it in the fellowship hall ... and post this again ... give it five minutes.
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02-27-2007, 06:28 PM
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Daniel:
About to leave my friend. I am going to a holiness seminar by Danny Aber in Daingerfield TX--pastor Carlton Watkins. I'll check in later.
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02-27-2007, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I will be posting a new thread on this topic of justification and remission ... Sabellius ... I think it's an important topic .... and fascinating that their are actually 4 schools of thought ... please look for it in the fellowship hall ... and post this again ... give it five minutes.
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Four and maybe more? 
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Smiles & Blessings....
~Felicity Welsh~
(surname courtesy of Jim Yohe)
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02-27-2007, 06:35 PM
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Sabellius, Elder Epley, and all interested, we will be discussing justification and remission here:
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...read.php?t=706
Gentlemen and ladies ... start your engines.
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02-27-2007, 11:13 PM
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Justification and Remission is a threat to who? LOL!
I just don't have the time to contribute to the nonstop discussion that goes on here. I am leaving on Sunday for Egypt and besides trying to pastor I need to get 10 messages together for a leadership conference in Alexandria and preaching in a few churches around Cairo.
I just want to say that I feel very uncomfortable with the extreme emphasis that some folks place on the Holy Ghost. One gets the impression that in their thinking the Holy Ghost is our Saviour instead of Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that the Holy Ghost is servant not Saviour. The Holy Ghost leads us to Christ, baptizes us into the Body of Christ, empowers us, and leads and guides us in our walk with Christ, but let's not forget that Jesus Christ is the Saviour and it's in Him we must put our trust!
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02-27-2007, 11:15 PM
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TB,
You can't go to Egypt! Who'll take Felicity to work?? 
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02-27-2007, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
Justification and Remission is a threat to who? LOL!
I just don't have the time to contribute to the nonstop discussion that goes on here. I am leaving on Sunday for Egypt and besides trying to pastor I need to get 10 messages together for a leadership conference in Alexandria and preaching in a few churches around Cairo.
I just want to say that I feel very uncomfortable with the extreme emphasis that some folks place on the Holy Ghost. One gets the impression that in their thinking the Holy Ghost is our Saviour instead of Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that the Holy Ghost is servant not Saviour. The Holy Ghost leads us to Christ, baptizes us into the Body of Christ, empowers us, and leads and guides us in our walk with Christ, but let's not forget that Jesus Christ is the Saviour and it's in Him we must put our trust!
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Just a few keystrokes Bishop.
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02-27-2007, 11:22 PM
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His word burns in my heart like a fire...Fire Fall Down
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Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
Justification and Remission is a threat to who? LOL!
I just don't have the time to contribute to the nonstop discussion that goes on here. I am leaving on Sunday for Egypt and besides trying to pastor I need to get 10 messages together for a leadership conference in Alexandria and preaching in a few churches around Cairo.
I just want to say that I feel very uncomfortable with the extreme emphasis that some folks place on the Holy Ghost. One gets the impression that in their thinking the Holy Ghost is our Saviour instead of Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that the Holy Ghost is servant not Saviour. The Holy Ghost leads us to Christ, baptizes us into the Body of Christ, empowers us, and leads and guides us in our walk with Christ, but let's not forget that Jesus Christ is the Saviour and it's in Him we must put our trust!
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Man, I really love to hear what you have to say...you seem to really care for the sheep!
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02-27-2007, 11:29 PM
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Smiles everyone...Smiles!!
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Truly Blessed
Justification and Remission is a threat to who? LOL!
I just don't have the time to contribute to the nonstop discussion that goes on here. I am leaving on Sunday for Egypt and besides trying to pastor I need to get 10 messages together for a leadership conference in Alexandria and preaching in a few churches around Cairo.
I just want to say that I feel very uncomfortable with the extreme emphasis that some folks place on the Holy Ghost. One gets the impression that in their thinking the Holy Ghost is our Saviour instead of Jesus Christ. The Bible teaches that the Holy Ghost is servant not Saviour. The Holy Ghost leads us to Christ, baptizes us into the Body of Christ, empowers us, and leads and guides us in our walk with Christ, but let's not forget that Jesus Christ is the Saviour and it's in Him we must put our trust!
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And here all this time I thought we all believed that God was ONE??
Bro, The Holy Ghost IS Jesus. He is the Spirit of Truth. I cannot emphasize the Holy Ghost without emphasizing Jesus as they are one in the same
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