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07-27-2007, 05:52 PM
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tbpew>
How shall they hear without a preacher?
Are you embracing the new old junk that no overseer is needed, only a counsel of elders?
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07-27-2007, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind
tbpew>
How shall they hear without a preacher?
Are you embracing the new old junk that no overseer is needed, only a counsel of elders?
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Hey boomm,
thanks for the helping keep AFF available.
I have nothing I can add to your post, you seem to have it all figured already.
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07-27-2007, 06:38 PM
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Hey boomm,
thanks for the helping keep AFF available.
I have nothing I can add to your post, you seem to have it all figured already.
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Brother,
I do not wish to misrepresent you in any way, but it seems to me that you embrace a concept that no believer has any authority over any other believer, regardless of calling or gifting.
Would you please expound on that?
Especially in light of the texts admonishing us to obey them that have the rule over us.
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07-27-2007, 06:40 PM
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I think I got to page 7....Could someone provide me with a copy of the Cliff Notes thus far?
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07-27-2007, 06:41 PM
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Brother,
I do not wish to misrepresent you in any way, but it seems to me that you embrace a concept that no believer has any authority over any other believer, regardless of calling or gifting.
Would you please expound on that?
Especially in light of the texts admonishing us to obey them that have the rule over us.
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I would be interested in tbpew sending me a phone number in PM also.
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07-27-2007, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SarahElizabeth
I think I got to page 7....Could someone provide me with a copy of the Cliff Notes thus far?
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In a nutshell:
Randy Hollis says the conservatives are bewitched and going to hell.
The liberals are standing firm on the sacred blood-stained "grace platform" and are therefore saved.
Some agree with him, some disagree.
Ad infinitum.
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07-27-2007, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Coonskinner
Brother,
I do not wish to misrepresent you in any way, but it seems to me that you embrace a concept that no believer has any authority over any other believer, regardless of calling or gifting.
Would you please expound on that?
Especially in light of the texts admonishing us to obey them that have the rule over us.
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I will be happy to prepare a very concise sharing of my view concerning apostolic authority's application/domain and its limitations.
I have shared this in many, many posts here at AFF but will provide a workable snap-shot view.
Coonskinner, you are correct in your assessment of my present understanding of the scriptural witness concerning member-to-member roles within God's anointed body.
My snap-shot will assist you in forming specific criticisms in support or opposition of my understanding. I will attempt to include the language of Heb 13:17 (your cite) as well as the larger witness that does not support any concept of rulers among the membership of Christ with the exception of the body's own head.
I am willling to share a divergent opinion openly, even in the midst of well-seasoned vocal dissent. But I am not interested or willing in providing effort to form words for skim-readers to pre-suppose they already know what I am all about. We would do each other far more service to celebrate the use of the IGNORE feature.
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07-27-2007, 06:58 PM
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I would be interested in tbpew sending me a phone number in PM also.
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I will not be able to accommodate such a request.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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07-27-2007, 07:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coonskinner
In a nutshell:
Randy Hollis says the conservatives are bewitched and going to hell.
The liberals are standing firm on the sacred blood-stained "grace platform" and are therefore saved.
Some agree with him, some disagree.
Ad infinitum.
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....but page 7 forward did not have a whole lot to do with the original direction of this thread ...inviting the reader to consider that ultra extremes on both ends are LOST (my synopsis  ).
That man v. man debate was picked up over at another thread related to KP and the whole NCO political speculation celebration.
I can not be sure but it is pretty likely that Pg 7 forward was more about
PRINCIPLE-based
RULE-based.
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
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07-28-2007, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tbpew
Charlie Brown,
God has provided guides that edify the assembly from experience, wisdom, and as examples of a life the demonstrates the witness of ITim 3 and Titus 1.
If the law, or rules, or applications, could make a man righteous, Christ died in vain.
It's all about the transforming power of the Holy Spirit to cause the soul of a man to deny carnal-mindedness and serve spiritual-mindedness.
If you think conduct can be constrained, fine. Maybe, just maybe it can. But all the changed conduct in the world won't change the thoughts of that man who looks upon a woman with lust in his heart. So along comes a preacher with specific rules and applications, at best these kind of things only conceal the matter from those who look on the outward, nothing changes in the heart, the appetite, the desire.
I need the Spirit to lead me, teach me, and change me concerning all truth that bears witness within my inner man.
Others will put their trust in a man to lead them.
It's all about individuals making choices based in the desires that are at work within them.
Wouldn't it be great, if the primary purpose of those gifting ministeries that God has provided his church, actually approach their calling as a call to bear witness, to share the truth of the principles they have received from the Word, and then let each anointed member of God's body decide what they will follow.
If people follow a man, they are trusting a man.
If people follow the Spirit, they have put their trust in God. |
But Paul said, "follow me as I follow Christ". So we all follow a man ... follow a leader to a certain extent and this is the way Christ intended it. He was a leader to the disciples. They followed Him.
We have those who have been set in authority over us. We have a responsibility to follow them to an extent at least.
Man can't change us but man can teach us and influence us and direct us and lead us to the One who can make the profound change to the heart, soul and spirit of man.
How can man "hear" without a preacher? How can any of us be saved without "man" in the picture.
Loved the post overall -- some great points were made -- but there were a few points made that need some picking at I think. 
Right now I need sleep so enough picking for now.
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