A question regarding women wearing pants...

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

UUURRRRRGGGGG - wrong answer.

Read it again, a little more slowly. What spirit was behind the introduction, into the world of fashion, of pants for women?

Men have A LOT more to show in pants than women will ever be able to. A man sitting on the platform in pants many times leaves nothing to the imagination. Talk about accentuating the groin.....be real.

Your reaction proves my point. Women aren't usually 'stimulated' visually. Often what they see disgusts them.

Why don't we state it more acurately.....men are just more visual than women. A man seeing the back side of a woman whether in a dress snuggly fitting or pants is appealing to a man.

If it helps you. But I already did. Please read what I wrote again.

As far as the other bold statement....."the revealing of leg and thigh" I would take as meaning actually seeing the skin of the leg and thigh, not the form of the leg in pants. You are more likely to see skin in a dress than you will in pants.

You are certainly free to take that meaning from it, since it is demonstrating a principle, not offering a commandment.

However, a man is visually stimulated by the shape and form of a woman's leg and thigh, not just the sight of bare skin in that region. Tight jeans are designed to reveal just that: a woman's shape and form. The skin is covered, but the flesh is revealed to a man's eye.

Godly people are willing to make an effort to not be or not make occasion for their brother to stumble.

It is a principle, not a legality.

I know that the vast majority of women who pulled on a pair of pants this morning weren't doing so with plans of seduction or enticement. But they also did so in ignorance of why these garments even exist for them.

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Seems reasonable and logical, but since when is religion reasonable and logical. I personally believe this subject is out of bounds for the pulpit to be engaged in, beyond preaching modesty. Then leave it to the Holy Spirit and the wisdom of believers to receive truth and interpret it in their own lives. The pulpit should focus on the weightier matters of the gospel, the ministry of reconciliation, according to the Apostle Paul.

amen, now that is good my brother, dt

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Your reaction proves my point. Women aren't usually 'stimulated' visually. Often what they see disgusts them.

Exactly. But the fact remains that if men dressed more modestly, we wouldn't have to be disgusted on a regular basis. Please men, do NOT wear snug fitting pants on the platform. Hey maybe, this is why some denominations have their clergy wear robes.

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Pants for women have been designed from the very start to draw men's eyes to a woman's nether regions. They accentuate the thighs, buttocks, and even the groin, when compared to robes and skirts.

In Isaiah 47 the "virgin daughter of Babylon" is rebuked and demoted from royal position. She is told to make bare the leg, uncover the thigh. (3) Thy nakedness shall be uncovered, yea, thy shame shall be seen.

In a very plain sense here the revealing of legs and thighs is considered debasement of women and cause for shame.

You all would do well to unearth the true motives behind (no pun intended) those who first promoted pants for women, and the other "new" fads that propelled the English-speaking peoples out of the Victorian era, before you decide that "women's pants" are compatible with Christian living. They pertain to women, all right. But specifically for the viewing pleasure of men, some of whom would prefer to be spared such frequent opportunities to be tempted to lust. Women and girls aren't being taught to consider this aspect of their wardrobe selection these days.

Tight skirts and form-fitting blouses, as can be observed on some "holiness" women, are scarcely any better.

So, elder, the Chinese women working in the rice paddies many years before the English-speaking peoples began wearing pants, wore pants to entice the men as well?

Lust is not generic, elder. Some men are more excited about the possibility of what they cannot see, than what is clearly evidenced by form-fitting apparel.

[Jesuswins]

I wonder what the transition was like when robes were no longer required, or when sleeves to the wrist and collars to the neck were no longer required. Does anyone else feel like the Apostolic Church is in a transition as far as dress code/standards are concerned. I imagine it was a hard transition back in the days of old.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

Exactly. But the fact remains that if men dressed more modestly, we wouldn't have to be disgusted on a regular basis. Please men, do NOT wear snug fitting pants on the platform. Hey maybe, this is why some denominations have their clergy wear robes.

LOL

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

So, elder, the Chinese women working in the rice paddies many years before the English-speaking peoples began wearing pants, wore pants to entice the men as well?

Lust is not generic, elder. Some men are more excited about the possibility of what they cannot see, than what is clearly evidenced by form-fitting apparel.

Right on.

Men lust after and desire women covered up in robes and veils with only their eyes showing. It's a natural thing.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by ChTatum

So, elder, the Chinese women working in the rice paddies many years before the English-speaking peoples began wearing pants, wore pants to entice the men as well?

You tell me.

I was referring to the turning away from 19th century Western cultural norms.

Lust is not generic, elder. Some men are more excited about the possibility of what they cannot see, than what is clearly evidenced by form-fitting apparel.

Some.

This is why a set of rules alone won't work. People need to be careful to regard their own intentions and the reactions of those who observe them, with their hearts set to be holy to God, and to show His love. The trouble begins when people follow rules without adopting the rules, the underlying principles, and the love with which we are to show holiness, into their hearts.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Right on.

Men lust after and desire women covered up in robes and veils with only their eyes showing. It's a natural thing.

Tell me Jacob didn't want a refund when he unveiled Leah!

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Tell me Jacob didn't want a refund when he unveiled Leah!

LOL!