You know, I feel as if I was stunted in my growth somehow. Was my Apostolic education edited for a reason?!
It disturbs me...
I was never taught about my Pentecostal roots in SSchool.... all the knowledge I currently have is from stories I've heard in sermons and/or books that I've heard regarding the topic....
An interesting question to ask would be, Do churchs teach about our 1900+ Pentecostal history in SSchool classes? I wasn't aware they did....
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I am learning this now, Renda...I am disturbed in my spirit I guess because these men made a huge impact on the Church, yet we were not told, at least up here, about them.
Was it because they weren't all PAJC?!
You don't have the answer to why I wasn't told, and perhaps no one does...I am just sounding off...!!
I was never taught about my Pentecostal roots in SSchool.... all the knowledge I currently have is from stories I've heard in sermons and/or books that I've heard regarding the topic....
An interesting question to ask would be, Do churchs teach about our 1900+ Pentecostal history in SSchool classes? I wasn't aware they did....
In SS?! No, I don't recall that. But we were taught other ways...in classes at church and in the Apostolic books my parents had...none of these folks I named were mentioned, nor was the full impact of the merger.
In SS?! No, I don't recall that. But we were taught other ways...in classes at church and in the Apostolic books my parents had...none of these folks I named were mentioned, nor was the full impact of the merger.
ohhh I thought you were talking about SSchool....
no, i may have been in adult classes where bits and pieces of Pentecostal history was shared.... but not as much as I've studied for myself....
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"Rules without relationship lead to rebellion." Dr. James Dobson
"You don't need a license to preach, or teach, or win souls." RonB
"In all my perplexities and distresses, the Bible has never failed to give me light and strength." Robert E. Lee (1807-1870)
Never tell a young person that anything cannot be done. God may have been waiting centuries for someone ignorant enough of the impossible to do that very thing. ~ John Andrew Holmes
I am almost 56 years old and was brought to the house of God and dedicated when I was a month old. So, though I have not always lived the saved and sanctified life, I am not a novice to the Apostolic Church.
In my youth, I learned about the Church and it's birth on the Day of Pentecost. They taught me about Topeka, Kansas, and the Azuza Revival. I knew about the withdrawl from the AG in 1916 and the formation of the different Apostolic organizations. I knew that the UPCI was the result of a merger in 1945...the complete details I did not know until recent years, but the merger I was aware of.
I grew up hearing and knowing the names of Brothers Goss, Vouga, Haywood, Urshan, Witherspoon, Cook, Ewart, Durham, Parham, Seymour. They were as familiar to me as my own name.
But can someone tell me WHY I never heard of the men listed below who ALSO were pioneers of the gospel?!
Brother WM Greer
Brother Earl L. Jacques
Brother EP Wickens
Brother John H. Dearing
Brother Wynn T. Stairs
Brother Raymond Beesley
I have read countless books on this subject...so why are their names foreign to me?! What impact did they have on this gospel message being spread in the last century?! How come important details and names were omitted from my Apostolic education?!
Or am I the only ignorant soul in the bunch?!
Sis Barb.....decades ago I heard of Brothers Stairs, Beesley and Greer. Of course, I'm older that a lot of the other posters on here.
I don't remember how I heard of them. I probably read some of their writings, or possibly heard them preach at conferences, etc.
I never heard of a number of men and women mentioned in CWTC. That's why it's important to read. There is a lot of valuable information and history there that many will never ever know because they've never been exposed to the info.
Even if what others say - that it was written with an agenda and with an attitude - it isn't a good reason to discount the book itself or the information contained therein.
It's not like it's going to hurt anyone for pete's sake. It's just history ... much of which has been well documented in more than one way.
Historically, books have been burned because why? Because of "fear" mostly.
__________________ Smiles & Blessings.... ~Felicity Welsh~ (surname courtesy of Jim Yohe)
I never heard of a number of men and women mentioned in CWTC. That's why it's important to read. There is a lot of valuable information and history there that many will never ever know because they've never been exposed to the info.
Even if what others say - that it was written with an agenda and with an attitude - it isn't a good reason to discount the book itself or the information contained therein.
It's not like it's going to hurt anyone for pete's sake. It's just history ... much of which has been well documented in more than one way.
Historically, books have been burned because why? Because of "fear" mostly.
I agree, but fear of what, Felicity?! That some may learn that the UPCI was founded by good men from two Apostolic groups, who held to the same basic doctrine, yet with differences of opinion?!
Fear that some may come to know that this united effort of not contending for the different views to the disunity of the Body worked for 40+ years?!
Fear that we might understand that the Church as it stands today is still made up of a diversity of people whose core beliefs are the same, yet there remains the differences?!
Fear that coming to this understanding, one may shed their convictions?!
I cannot explain really why this is disturbing me so tonight, but it is...to think that I thought I knew my background, only to come to the realization that I really didn't know at all.
Perhaps I am just naive...that this is the way of the world, be it secular or religious.
I don't know...
Can someone shed light on these men...where they were from...their accomplishments for Kingdom sake?!
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