Show Me the Money

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

Haven't you understood that New Testament believers are not bound by tithing rules and regulations in the OT (modified rules, to make matters worse since you distort the actual OT version of tithing)....the New Testament Believer is involved in Spirit-led giving and against our kindness and goodness and faithfulness there is no law...

Here is a refresher, Elder: Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law."

The Spirit led the first giving tithes since the Spirit inspired the writers to record it. Then The Spirit made flesh said to do it Mt. 23:23 and the Apostles taught it. 1Cor. 9, Heb. 7.

Thanks for the refresher course indeed we all need more of it including myself. The Spirit itself produces those attributes if I live in His Spirit.

However Jesus and the Apostles were quite severe in dealing with false teachers. Mt. 23 , Acts 7, 13 and many other passages.

I haven't called y'all a serpent or a fox or a blind guide or a hypocrite, child of the devil. They did. And they had the fruit of the Spirit.

Glad I could be of a help to y'all.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I too know J since age 10 ... he loves the ministry and is not a false teacher, a false prophet ... or a hater of the man of God ... as SPECIFICALLY and harshly alluded to by the kind Elder .... he has given of his heart, time, talent and money to the Kingdom for decades.

Dan NOW from the HEART all the rest has been from my head for argument sake. Both of you men for some reason have been hurt and are bitter. Bitter folks can never see their bitterness they nourish it like a wound of honor. But your continual posting is evidence. I ask you two brethren this just go back on this and other threads of this nature and read what you have posted and I challenge you to ask the question if the casual lurker read this what would they think that I thought about the ministry? PLEASE before either of you answer I ask you to pause and consider. Could I possibly blinded by my bitterness???? Bitterness hides itself and disguises itself with many masks. But it always eventually destroys the person it has held captive. I will post no more on this thread in opposition to you guys not because I do not like to argue but I am afraid I have provoked you to be worse and not better that is NOT my intention. I pray that this post will be read as it was written not as a rebuke but rather a word of caution. I pray for you guys.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan NOW from the HEART all the rest has been from my head for argument sake. Both of you men for some reason have been hurt and are bitter. Bitter folks can never see their bitterness they nourish it like a wound of honor. But your continual posting is evidence. I ask you two brethren this just go back on this and other threads of this nature and read what you have posted and I challenge you to ask the question if the casual lurker read this what would they think that I thought about the ministry? PLEASE before either of you answer I ask you to pause and consider. Could I possibly blinded by my bitterness???? Bitterness hides itself and disguises itself with many masks. But it always eventually destroys the person it has held captive. I will post no more on this thread in opposition to you guys not because I do not like to argue but I am afraid I have provoked you to be worse and not better that is NOT my intention. I pray that this post will be read as it was written not as a rebuke but rather a word of caution. I pray for you guys.

The implementation of the you are just bitter tactic is old and transparent ...
is comes from a feeling of superiority. Try again.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Dan NOW from the HEART all the rest has been from my head for argument sake. Both of you men for some reason have been hurt and are bitter. Bitter folks can never see their bitterness they nourish it like a wound of honor. But your continual posting is evidence. I ask you two brethren this just go back on this and other threads of this nature and read what you have posted and I challenge you to ask the question if the casual lurker read this what would they think that I thought about the ministry? PLEASE before either of you answer I ask you to pause and consider. Could I possibly blinded by my bitterness???? Bitterness hides itself and disguises itself with many masks. But it always eventually destroys the person it has held captive. I will post no more on this thread in opposition to you guys not because I do not like to argue but I am afraid I have provoked you to be worse and not better that is NOT my intention. I pray that this post will be read as it was written not as a rebuke but rather a word of caution. I pray for you guys.

Oh wait....I think I am having a breakthrough.....thank you, Elder, thank you....I'm beginning to see the light....A breakthrough, indeed......


..... NOT!

[J-Roc]

BTW, please do send the prayers my way, Elder....now that I always welcome, Sir! Thank you.

[J-Roc]

Quite frankly, I LOVE the ministry and love it so much I hold it in high regard in its truest representation. In fact, I honor and appreciate and admire men and Pastors, like MOW or Truly Blessed, who represent the ministry wonderfully through their speech....in their example, I see Christ shining through...and I want to be just like them as they are just like Christ....

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by J-Roc

I think revisiting the following is timely:

If this is an argument against get rich pastors I am for it, if this is an argument against them being compensated for spending all their time ministering, I am not

1Co 9:13 Don't you know that those who serve in the temple eat food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar receive a part of the offerings?
1Co 9:14 In the same way the Lord commanded those who proclaim the gospel to receive their living by the gospel.

[Sherri]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I too know J since age 10 ... he loves the ministry and is not a false teacher, a false prophet ... or a hater of the man of God ... as SPECIFICALLY and harshly alluded to by the kind Elder .... he has given of his heart, time, talent and money to the Kingdom for decades.

I believe this too, Daniel. I think they are both men of God and I hate it when everyone starts tearing each other down on here.

[J-Roc]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The Spirit led the first giving tithes since the Spirit inspired the writers to record it. Then The Spirit made flesh said to do it Mt. 23:23 and the Apostles taught it. 1Cor. 9, Heb. 7.

Thanks for the refresher course indeed we all need more of it including myself. The Spirit itself produces those attributes if I live in His Spirit.

However Jesus and the Apostles were quite severe in dealing with false teachers. Mt. 23 , Acts 7, 13 and many other passages.

I haven't called y'all a serpent or a fox or a blind guide or a hypocrite, child of the devil. They did. And they had the fruit of the Spirit.

Glad I could be of a help to y'all.

An Elder and friend of mine said:

Originally Posted by Elder

When (church) dogma is elevated above the Word and/or the Spirit, then dogma will win out every time, and we will continue to bicker over names, days, words, and other foolish things. That keeps our attention focused on people and right/wrong games, rather than on God and the task of improving our relationship with Him. May our steps, therefore, be ordered by God and our thoughts be centered on Him alone.

When doctrine is used to interpret the Scriptures, rather than the other way around, then the teacher(s) have become spiritually bankrupt, regardless of how godly they may appear to themselves or to others. When the question is. "How do we raise money to support ourselves and our ministry?" Rather than actually trusting in God to supply them their required provisions and to protect them, you also have faithless leaders who, unashamedly, proclaim that they do make merchandise of the saints of God. But, that is another teaching.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

It is always timely to be warned of the Balaams among us who are nothing by cheap hucksters of "uncommon seed for an uncommon harvest" for the purposes of enriching themselves even at the expense of the curse of God upon His spiritual nation.

Here we go again. I have a question, this "uncommon seed" was this implied to be money given to the person who gave this false prophecy? Because the implication seems to be this is in kind with what the WOF people do, but when they ask for money it goes into their pockets. What was this uncommon seed for? How do we know this person was saying this for the purpose of enriching himself? And how does the curse happen in this case upon everyone else? Let's do this in public too. I want everyone to see your answer and judge for themselves if it is the truth or not. Simple question BS. I am not attacking you or anything.