I do think there should be more accountability for Pastors everywhere. They should be paid and a list of responsibilities should be itemized:
The new age Pastors run their churches very different from those of the past:
* a saint has to make an appt with the church admin/or sect to get an appt. and if they don't show up it is fine, if you don't show up then you are rude.
* in order to do anything/get approval one has to go through a chain of authority from the bottom to the top so that if the plans fall through then there is someone other than leadership to blame it on.
* for security and insurance purposes, or because a VIP things you should...all members should go through a new converts class/membership class and be accepted into fellowship regardless of whether they have been in the church, ministry, or paid their tithes all their life.
* Pastors do not counsel others in their congregation if their tithes are not paid up in full with doc. proof.
* The prosperity message is preached every offering time.
* The first thing to go out the door if remodeling is the kitchen and dining area because we have forgotten that our churches were built on the blood sweat and tears over hot peanut brittle, and working women who built the church
I do think there should be more accountability for Pastors everywhere. They should be paid and a list of responsibilities should be itemized:
The new age Pastors run their churches very different from those of the past:
* a saint has to make an appt with the church admin/or sect to get an appt. and if they don't show up it is fine, if you don't show up then you are rude.
* in order to do anything/get approval one has to go through a chain of authority from the bottom to the top so that if the plans fall through then there is someone other than leadership to blame it on.
* for security and insurance purposes, or because a VIP things you should...all members should go through a new converts class/membership class and be accepted into fellowship regardless of whether they have been in the church, ministry, or paid their tithes all their life.
* Pastors do not counsel others in their congregation if their tithes are not paid up in full with doc. proof.
* The prosperity message is preached every offering time.
* The first thing to go out the door if remodeling is the kitchen and dining area because we have forgotten that our churches were built on the blood sweat and tears over hot peanut brittle, and working women who built the church
These do not describe the churches I have been associated with at all.
__________________ "Then answered Amos, and said to Amaziah, I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son; but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit:
And the LORD took me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel."
I certainly hope this entire thread was written TIC....
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I certainly hope this entire thread was written TIC....
I wish it were *sigh*. Some of you folks don't get out much do you?:sshhh It would seem that I am the only person who picks up on these things...I have just seen so many changes in my 40+ years in Apostolic churches. It troubles me...guess I should post my concerns on the Changes thread by Bro. Strange...he seems to get it.
I do think there should be more accountability for Pastors everywhere. They should be paid and a list of responsibilities should be itemized:
The new age Pastors run their churches very different from those of the past:
* a saint has to make an appt with the church admin/or sect to get an appt. and if they don't show up it is fine, if you don't show up then you are rude.
* in order to do anything/get approval one has to go through a chain of authority from the bottom to the top so that if the plans fall through then there is someone other than leadership to blame it on.
* for security and insurance purposes, or because a VIP things you should...all members should go through a new converts class/membership class and be accepted into fellowship regardless of whether they have been in the church, ministry, or paid their tithes all their life.
* Pastors do not counsel others in their congregation if their tithes are not paid up in full with doc. proof.
* The prosperity message is preached every offering time.
* The first thing to go out the door if remodeling is the kitchen and dining area because we have forgotten that our churches were built on the blood sweat and tears over hot peanut brittle, and working women who built the church
Sister Sharhonda,
I think that you would make a wonderful Pastor. But, that might tie some folk underwear in a wad if you were, but those that were left would greatly benefit form you wisdom and Word. The more that I know you, the more I see your wisdom, intelligence and apparently well ordered life.
I also believe in prosperity. I believe it should be preached as a doctrine...but not in the tone that the "Prosperity" preachers preach it. I would be proud to hear you preach a prosperity message or any message for that matter. I have all reasons to believe that you would be a fine preacher.
You were absolutely beautiful Sunday, with an outfit on that would stun the eyes of any caloused critic. I loved your purse. I think that I saw a little Afro/American flair in it together with your hanky. You are a class act, girl. I really enjoyed seeing you Sunday.
I think that you would make a wonderful Pastor. But, that might tie some folk underwear in a wad if you were, but those that were left would greatly benefit form you wisdom and Word. The more that I know you, the more I see your wisdom, intelligence and apparently well ordered life.
I also believe in prosperity. I believe it should be preached as a doctrine...but not in the tone that the "Prosperity" preachers preach it. I would be proud to hear you preach a prosperity message or any message for that matter. I have all reasons to believe that you would be a fine preacher.
You were absolutely beautiful Sunday, with an outfit on that would stun the eyes of any caloused critic. I loved your purse. I think that I saw a little Afro/American flair in it together with your hanky. You are a class act, girl. I really enjoyed seeing you Sunday.
Talk about rose colored glasses ! LOl.
Thank-you for the compliments kind sir, but I don't believe in woman Pastors. I don't really believe in the prosperity doctrine, nor do I care about myself preaching at all...although I love to hear the word...which reminds me of a thread I need to post on.
BTW...sometimes I think I got born in the wrong body, the wrong race...I think I am more African American than anything else...I love to dress like a sister...and am shaped like one!
I love African AMerican culture, and being a woman I can also empathize with the slavery which was inflicted on them by the middle to upper class white male! That sermon is for another day....
Thank-you for the compliments kind sir, but I don't believe in woman Pastors. I don't really believe in the prosperity doctrine, nor do I care about myself preaching at all...although I love to hear the word...which reminds me of a thread I need to post on.
BTW...sometimes I think I got born in the wrong body, the wrong race...I think I am more African American than anything else...I love to dress like a sister...and am shaped like one!
I love African AMerican culture, and being a woman I can also empathize with the slavery which was inflicted on htem by the middle to upper class white male! That sermon is for another day....
Blessings, Rhoni
Whew!
That's me. A middle to upper class WHITE MALE. OUCH!
Maybe you are right. Being a pastor might be problamatic after all. As a white male I would catch ...you know what...especially since I am a middle to upper class white male.
That's me. A middle to upper class WHITE MALE. OUCH!
Maybe you are right. Being a pastor might be problamatic after all. As a white male I would catch ...you know what...especially since I am a middle to upper class white male.
Bubba, you have already caught it...right between the eyes!
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