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Old 07-09-2007, 01:34 PM
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Oh brother!!!! You, sir, are no Elijah. At least Elijah had the courage to face those he accused and disagreed with. And I doubt he'd have run from some simple questions.
Courage? ROFL! That's hilarious!

Elijah was the epitome of cowards! He even wailed to God that 'they seek my life to take it away' and sat out in the wilderness so removed from society that ravens had to feed him!

How many times did he tell God, 'I, only I am left...'?
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:34 PM
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Wow, such maturity and Godliness.
Did I ever say that you were not entitled to your opinions?


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You didn't mention a name, true. But you did reveal who it was in a very direct way. I need neither his name nor permission to demand proof of your accusations.
Make all your silly demands, but I will not discuss the man/woman beyond what I have said without HIS permission. You are rude and incosiderate of him in making your demands. Further discussion of him/her beyond what I have already said would naturally entail examining many prophecies in many churches over a period of time.

You would be wise to drop your demands in the interest of the person that you are trying so hard to defend. You need to shut up about it.


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*grin* I've encountered your spirit before...
Interesting. Just what spirit would that be? I demand an answer.

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Again, why do I need permission?
Because I will not discuss the particular spirit that I judged that night or anything else concerning who is probably a God called Prophet beyond what I've already said except for his permission.

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I'm not interested in his prophecies, true or false.
Why not? If he has a track record of prophesying falsely, would it not follow that he is moved by ANOTHER spirit, thus a false prophet?

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I want proof of the accusations you gave that link him to the Cathedral of Wisdom and that he used WORD FOR WORD the words and philosophies from the Cathedral of Wisdom.
It is obvious that you don't know enough about it to discuss it. You are a total novice in this realm. The person in question is no novice. It is readily apparant to me that he has been down the road with experience.


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How incredibly rude and arrogant. Again, I'm dumbfounded that there are people on here that hold you up in such reverence.
Don't be dumbfound. There is a lot that you do not know.

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Christian courtesy!?! You're showing him Christian courtesy?
Absolutely, without his permission, I will not discuss him any further, neither will I call his name on this forum.

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You came on to a public internet forum and stabbed him in the back with these baseless and unproven accusations and you call that Christian courtesy?
Never stabbed anyone...anywhere or anytime.

Tell us, what is your interpretation of the scriptures given in the first post? Start with the word, "prophesy." Then, end up with the word "judge." Then, instead of your silly, novice like remarks, tell me when and where I "stabbed the man in the back."

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Good grief, sir! Pretty sad if that's your idea of Christian courtesy.
Are you an Apostolic? For how long? Please don't tell me that you are a preacher!
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:36 PM
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OK Look....here is an example of what I am referring to:



You even capitolized the name "Prince" and asked why anyone who called themselves Apostolic would drink in such a wicked spirit...you then went on to accuse the ENTIRE DISTRICT of drinking of the water of this "Prince of many spirits".

Are you saying that this "Prince" is a demonic spirit?

If not, then what is he? And what water is it a shame they are drinking?
triump....
I have been appreciative that there is still hope that prophesy can be judged/compared/analysied/reviewed...etc.

But in reading your post, I am really at a loss for where you get some of your content for engaging/soliciting a response from BroStrange.

Is there some other place that you have read then that which you quoted?

You wrote:
"you [in reference to R.Strange] then went on to accuse the ENTIRE DISTRICT of drinking of the water of this "Prince of many spirits".

come on man, you quoted him and then you wrote that, what is up with that? Are you out to antagonize to get a response?

what you quoted from his writings was:

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Why would anyone that claims to be Apostolic drink in such a wicked spirit? And then, to be given freedom of the pulpit to offer the entire District a drink of the same old water of error?
(I highlighted the amazing jump you make in recreating your statement about what he said.)

You went SO far from what he said in the quote YOU supplied that your posting motive is coming into some question.
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:39 PM
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Did I ever say that you were not entitled to your opinions?




Make all your silly demands, but I will not discuss the man/woman beyond what I have said without HIS permission. You are rude and incosiderate of him in making your demands. Further discussion of him/her beyond what I have already said would naturally entail examining many prophecies in many churches over a period of time.

You would be wise to drop your demands in the interest of the person that you are trying so hard to defend. You need to shut up about it.




Interesting. Just what spirit would that be? I demand an answer.



Because I will not discuss the particular spirit that I judged that night or anything else concerning who is probably a God called Prophet beyond what I've already said except for his permission.



Why not? If he has a track record of prophesying falsely, would it not follow that he is moved by ANOTHER spirit, thus a false prophet?



It is obvious that you don't know enough about it to discuss it. You are a total novice in this realm. The person in question is no novice. It is readily apparant to me that he has been down the road with experience.




Don't be dumbfound. There is a lot that you do not know.



Absolutely, without his permission, I will not discuss him any further, neither will I call his name on this forum.



Never stabbed anyone...anywhere or anytime.

Tell us, what is your interpretation of the scriptures given in the first post? Start with the word, "prophesy." Then, end up with the word "judge." Then, instead of your silly, novice like remarks, tell me when and where I "stabbed the man in the back."



Are you an Apostolic? For how long? Please don't tell me that you are a preacher!
OK Bro. Strange I will keep trying.

Look at your words here:

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This is truly sad.

We have drifted so far away that we no longer know the voice of the Holy Ghost from the voice of Sorcerer. We no longer know the difference.

Do you also subscribe to the teachings of The Temple of Wisdom as he does?
Is the voice of the Sorcerer mentioned by you here of demonic origin?

If not, since when does the word "Scorcerer" not give the connotation of one who is used to voice demonic words and incantations?
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:40 PM
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Where did he say that? This was mentioned earlier but isn't right.

BS stated that he'd be glad to meet with him in a motel room or at a restaurant . . . but he didn't say whether or not he actually set up such a meeting or if he's even so much as called this minister on the phone to discuss his accusations.

And BS continues to backpeddle on my question of if he did or not, which more times than most means he hasn't spoken with this minister.

Again, show me where he actually stated that he's agreed to meet this minister. Saying you'd be happy to meet someone and actually setting up a meeting is two completely different things.
Yes, that's what I meant, sorry. He'd be willing to meet. Also, Dan offered to set up a meeting. Doesn't seem to have happened, though.
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:41 PM
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Triumphant1...

I would answer you, but you insist on misquoting me. When you quote me then mischaraterize my quote, you are MISquoting. Get it right and then let's talk. I don't shun honesty but competence should be an ingredient in discussion along with your honesty...which I sense even though you have harshly critisized me...which I don't mind.
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:45 PM
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triump....
I have been appreciative that there is still hope that prophesy can be judged/compared/analysied/reviewed...etc.

But in reading your post, I am really at a loss for where you get some of your content for engaging/soliciting a response from BroStrange.

Is there some other place that you have read then that which you quoted?

You wrote:
"you [in reference to R.Strange] then went on to accuse the ENTIRE DISTRICT of drinking of the water of this "Prince of many spirits".

come on man, you quoted him and then you wrote that, what is up with that? Are you out to antagonize to get a response?

what you quoted from his writings was:


(I highlighted the amazing jump you make in recreating your statement about what he said.)

You went SO far from what he said in the quote YOU supplied that your posting motive is coming into some question.
I am sorry for the confusion here...to me his buying of a black shirt and mourning the "Changes" in the district show that this man feels that the district is lost to this "other spirit".

He described the worship as the same Moses encounter with the golden calf...

And he insinuates in the post quoted that the entire district was offered this drink from a wicked source and ultimately leads us to believe that they readily accepted it.
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:46 PM
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Then why get upset about this if the prophet's hit and miss like the weatherman. This is GUESSING not Biblical prophecy.
More saddened that "upset," Elder.

Even then, I would not be so saddened if it were not for my main objection that I posted in the very first post in "I Sense A Change." That objection being the gullibility of those listenening reinforced by the silence of leaders who also heard what I did.
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Old 07-09-2007, 01:48 PM
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Triumphant1...

I would answer you, but you insist on misquoting me. When you quote me then mischaraterize my quote, you are MISquoting. Get it right and then let's talk. I don't shun honesty but competence should be an ingredient in discussion along with your honesty...which I sense even though you have harshly critisized me...which I don't mind.
I honestly wish to understand why you said the things you said. If I have misquoted or misunderstood I am sorry!

Was it demonic in your opinion? That's all I want to know.

Because if that is not what you meant, you did leave that impression with at least me....and I'd like that issue cleared up just for my sake.

I do not mean to criticize you...but to call the worship Golden calf...and to say the prophet, who is my friend, works under the spirit of a "Sorcerer"...is the impression you left me with.
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Old 07-09-2007, 02:01 PM
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OK Bro. Strange I will keep trying.

Look at your words here:



Is the voice of the Sorcerer mentioned by you here of demonic origin?

If not, since when does the word "Scorcerer" not give the connotation of one who is used to voice demonic words and incantations?
Thanks for not mischaraterizing my quote.

Honesty diserves an answer when given in the right spirit as you did here.

My mind made a jump from the events that occured that night with the prophecies that went forth to so much prophecies that go forth today in the name of the Lord...that are not from the Lord.

There was a few weeks ago a thread that about a certain TBN Prophet that has prophesied all sorts of things. Supposedly he prophesied Katrina. He probably did. He has prophesied things about the auto industry and Detroit. I forget his name except for Kim something. I defended the man at first since I never think that one should jump off into judging a prophet without "trying the spirits to see if they be of God." But then, another poster gave me a web-site to visit. It soon became that the man is moved by a false spirit of divination which is not a huge leap, when one moves in the spirit realm from the real and the false. Unsanctified spirits easily enter into those areas when personal agendas are involved.

I questioned whether we are ready to receive the sorcerer instead of a Prophet moved entirely by the Holy Ghost. The word sorcerer was not directed toward the person prophesying THAT particular night. To have done so would have been a stretch further than I would have been willing to make at this point.

I wrote an article found on www.ApostolicLibrary.com under "contents" concerning Sorcerers and the Art of Sorcery. You might would like to read it. From that article, you can more easily see how I come to use the word "sorcerer."

Hope this helps to clarify the use of the word.

Again, I do not mind honest and sincere questions so long as they are just that...honest and sincere, even if they are laced with criticism.
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