Whaaaaaaatt???? What's happening in Canada??

[TrueNorth]

Originally Posted by Felicity

I've heard through the grapevine ..... .... that the majority of AD men would vote in favour of such a resolution.

A resolution for what?
In theory I am in favor of a Canadian organization. I am Canadian, self-rule for Canada! Let's have a made in Canada Superintendent! Add another level of bureaucracy for Canadians to pay for! At least we will have a warm and fuzzy feeling about it all.
Who cares about the problems - who cares whether it is the best thing or not. I am Canadian!

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by TrueNorth

A resolution for what?
In theory I am in favor of a Canadian organization. I am Canadian, self-rule for Canada! Let's have a made in Canada Superintendent! Add another level of bureaucracy for Canadians to pay for! At least we will have a warm and fuzzy feeling about it all.
Who cares about the problems - who cares whether it is the best thing or not. I am Canadian!

Resolution for whatever it is they're thinking about doing if they're actually seriously thinking about doing it which seems to be the case. LOL.

I have my own reservations which I've expressed before. But I'm definitely a proud and loyal Canadian. Mais oui monsier!!

Vive le Canada!

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by TrueNorth

A resolution for what?
In theory I am in favor of a Canadian organization. I am Canadian, self-rule for Canada! Let's have a made in Canada Superintendent! Add another level of bureaucracy for Canadians to pay for! At least we will have a warm and fuzzy feeling about it all.
Who cares about the problems - who cares whether it is the best thing or not. I am Canadian!

But, when a Canadian says, "I am Canadian!" What does he mean? Is there an overarching Canadian identity that is shared from sea to sea to sea? Or, does every Canadian define Canadian with their own regional definition?

If the future of the UPC was more than an academic consideration for me, I would oppose an autonomous UPCC. The UPCC is too small, too divided, and too dispersed geographically to ever form an effective autonomous organization.

Hazelwood is not the reason for any real or perceived lack of evangelism in Canada. The reason for any lack of evangelism in Canada lies much closer to home. In what way have the American brethren hindered Canadians from evangelizing Canada?

Originally Posted by Felicity

I think a Supt. from Ontario could have a vision beyond his own backdoor as much as a Maritimer could.

Certainly though the differences between East and West is well .... as far as the distance from East to West.

I realize that there is some differences, to put it mildly, between the east and west of Canada but it is my humble opinion that the current Executive Presbyter of Canada is a very balanced man who not only handles himself very well in a business session but also pastors the largest UPC in Canada.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by D&J

I realize that there is some differences, to put it mildly, between the east and west of Canada but it is my humble opinion that the current Executive Presbyter of Canada is a very balanced man who not only handles himself very well in a business session but also pastors the largest UPC in Canada.

I agree with you on the current guy.

[TrueNorth]

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

But, when a Canadian says, "I am Canadian!" What does he mean? Is there an overarching Canadian identity that is shared from sea to sea to sea? Or, does every Canadian define Canadian with their own regional definition?

If the future of the UPC was more than an academic consideration for me, I would oppose an autonomous UPCC. The UPCC is too small, too divided, and too dispersed geographically to ever form an effective autonomous organization.

Hazelwood is not the reason for any real or perceived lack of evangelism in Canada. The reason for any lack of evangelism in Canada lies much closer to home. In what way have the American brethren hindered Canadians from evangelizing Canada?

My previous point exactly. To blame the US is a cop out. Even with a Canadian organization evangelism would continue to be a District function.
But, this whole exercise in letter writing to my mind was never about evangelism, it was about power.

Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Hazelwood is not the reason for any real or perceived lack of evangelism in Canada. The reason for any lack of evangelism in Canada lies much closer to home. In what way have the American brethren hindered Canadians from evangelizing Canada?

It is true that Hazelwood is not the reason for a lack of evangelism in Canada. I think one thing that holds us back is a lack of defination of who we really are which affects our unity and our purpose.

[Maple Leaf]

Originally Posted by D&J

I realize that there is some differences, to put it mildly, between the east and west of Canada but it is my humble opinion that the current Executive Presbyter of Canada is a very balanced man who not only handles himself very well in a business session but also pastors the largest UPC in Canada.

Without a doubt, from all reports, the current Executive Presbyter would be well qualified to superintend an autonomous UPCC, but would a man of his calibre be willing to leave his thriving Church to be General Superintendent of a 16,000 member organization. Would an autonomous UPCC be financially able to support an executive staff?

Originally Posted by TrueNorth

But, this whole exercise in letter writing to my mind was never about evangelism, it was about power.

Ummm... or maybe the percieved, real or unreal, loss of power...

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by D&J

It is true that Hazelwood is not the reason for a lack of evangelism in Canada. I think one thing that holds us back is a lack of defination of who we really are which affects our unity and our purpose.

But is it possible that Canada sometimes is distracted by all the demands for attention made by Hazelwood in regard to any number and variety of things?

Just asking the question is all.