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Old 12-08-2020, 10:36 AM
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Re: Who was Harry Morse ?

My research is limited to the west coast. I do not know of any Oneness Pentecostals prior to 1914. I am not aware of any Pentecostals prior to 1906.

If there was any prior to those dates in California, feel free to post the data.
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Old 12-08-2020, 02:47 PM
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My research is limited to the west coast. I do not know of any Oneness Pentecostals prior to 1914. I am not aware of any Pentecostals prior to 1906.

If there was any prior to those dates in California, feel free to post the data.
Then you would be led to believe they appeared in California, why?
I’m not understanding the whole focus. Is it because information availability had changed? I guess who is Harry Morse might not be accurate. But where did Harry Morse come from? Where did any of these people come from. We call them Oneness Pentecostals like its a genetic race which can be found in mitochondrial DNA? What was Harry Morse’ kin? What religion was he raised in?
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Harry Morse was born in Michigan. He grew up in Appleton, Wisconsin. He was Baptist in Wisconsin. Then he began working with the Volunteers of America. After that, he was a member of the Peniel Mission.

While pastoring the Peniel Misison at San Pedro, California, his friend, Frank Bartleman, told him about the Apostolic Faith Mission at Azusa Street.

He went from being a Peniel Mission pastor to starting missions under the name Apostolic Faith Mission. The first one he started was in Stockton, California.


Harry had a twin sister, but he does not seem to have revisited Wisconsin after he had moved to Californa.

The Oneness message can be detected by tracking those who believed it. Track the believers and you can track how and where the message was spread.

My research will be corrected or validated by others doing research in the same field.
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Re: Who was Harry Morse ?

Harry Morse was born in Michigan. He grew up in Appleton, Wisconsin. He was Baptist in Wisconsin. Then he began working with the Volunteers of America. After that, he was a member of the Peniel Mission.

While pastoring the Peniel Misison at San Pedro, California, his friend, Frank Bartleman, told him about the Apostolic Faith Mission at Azusa Street.

He went from being a Peniel Mission pastor to starting missions under the name Apostolic Faith Mission. The first one he started was in Stockton, California.


Harry had a twin sister, but he does not seem to have revisited Wisconsin after he had moved to Californa.

The Oneness message can be detected by tracking those who believed it. Track the believers and you can track how and where the message was spread.

My research will be corrected or validated by others doing research in the same field.
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Harry Morse was born in Michigan. He grew up in Appleton, Wisconsin. He was Baptist in Wisconsin. Then he began working with the Volunteers of America. After that, he was a member of the Peniel Mission.

While pastoring the Peniel Misison at San Pedro, California, his friend, Frank Bartleman, told him about the Apostolic Faith Mission at Azusa Street.

He went from being a Peniel Mission pastor to starting missions under the name Apostolic Faith Mission. The first one he started was in Stockton, California.


Harry had a twin sister, but he does not seem to have revisited Wisconsin after he had moved to Californa.

The Oneness message can be detected by tracking those who believed it. Track the believers and you can track how and where the message was spread.

My research will be corrected or validated by others doing research in the same field.
Scott, do you believe that people can become Oneness Pentecostals by just reading the Bible?
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Some, like Frank Ewart, got the "revelation". Others by reading about the "new issue". I suspect others by reading their Bible. To the extent that I can track it, people learned about the Oneness doctrine by interacting with others.

Even after the 1914 worldwide camp meeting at Arroyo Seco, Frank Ewart prayed and studied the Scriptures about the "new issue" for nearly a year before writing about it.

When I lived in California, the church leadership publically encouraged us to pray for "the revelation" of the godhead. In college, at CLC, we were challenged to focus on the Bible, not on personal revelation.
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Some, like Frank Ewart, got the "revelation". Others by reading about the "new issue". I suspect others by reading their Bible. To the extent that I can track it, people learned about the Oneness doctrine by interacting with others.

Even after the 1914 worldwide camp meeting at Arroyo Seco, Frank Ewart prayed and studied the Scriptures about the "new issue" for nearly a year before writing about it.

When I lived in California, the church leadership publically encouraged us to pray for "the revelation" of the godhead. In college, at CLC, we were challenged to focus on the Bible, not on personal revelation.
What did they “define” as personal revelation?
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Re: Who was Harry Morse ?

They never really said. Nor did anyone ever mention Frank Ewart. At least not that I recall.

The primary part was that a person did not believe in the trinity. Instead, they believed in Oneness. One God not three. If we did not understand, we were encouraged to pray for the revelation of the godhead.
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Some, like Frank Ewart, got the "revelation". Others by reading about the "new issue". I suspect others by reading their Bible. To the extent that I can track it, people learned about the Oneness doctrine by interacting with others.

Even after the 1914 worldwide camp meeting at Arroyo Seco, Frank Ewart prayed and studied the Scriptures about the "new issue" for nearly a year before writing about it.

When I lived in California, the church leadership publically encouraged us to pray for "the revelation" of the godhead. In college, at CLC, we were challenged to focus on the Bible, not on personal revelation.
I got the Revelation the instant I got the Holy Ghost. I heard about "Oneness" some time later. It was simply a term trying to explain what I experienced already.

The revelation isn't a revelation of a doctrine. It's a revelation of a PERSON. Lots of people know all about the doctrine, but never really met the Person about whom the doctrine speaks.
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They never really said. Nor did anyone ever mention Frank Ewart. At least not that I recall.

The primary part was that a person did not believe in the trinity. Instead, they believed in Oneness. One God not three. If we did not understand, we were encouraged to pray for the revelation of the godhead.
You know that actually oneness means plurality being unified.
We are One God Apostolics. Meaning we believe in literally one single God with one saving name, JESUS.
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