What's the difference?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I was only giving an example of what moderation is about in comparison to what the B-I-B-L-E describes as drunkenness. If someone doesn't wish to drink, I have no problem with that. In fact, I don't remember the last time I had anything alcoholic to drink. I assure you, I'm not sitting around sipping Schnapps all day.

I think you're stressing yourself out over something that isn't even being said.

Words matter. Your posts show you support the consumption of alcohol. Part of the definition of "promote" is "support."

Originally Posted by Aquila

No. No one said that CBD and MM are "wonder cures". However, the truth, you know, the reality, the irrefutable facts... is that MM has helped many people with many different conditions.

Irrefutable facts? You posted videos from YouTube. Also, the way you have posted about CBD and MM, including the videos, have made it out to be some wonder cure.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Look, a certain someone painted me bad.

You do bad all by yourself. I'm just saying.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know wonderful pastors. And yes, they wear suits. And yes, they are part of various organizations. They are good godly men. And I do mention them. But people tend to ignore the statements I make about them.

Very few and very far between.

Originally Posted by Aquila

For example, I've mentioned a pastor who has admitted that he believes being shaven is a reflection of a clean image in our society, and so he admonishes men to shave. However... he doesn't argue that it is a "sin" not to either. He's truthful. He expresses that it is only his opinion. He's a good and honest man.

Does this Pastor prohibit beards on the platform? Does he "teach traditions of men as doctrine?"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Chris who is the certain someone?

[berkeley]

YOU! He doesn’t have the ... to name names.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Chris who is the certain someone?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Words matter. Your posts show you support the consumption of alcohol. Part of the definition of "promote" is "support."

I have only stood by the truth that the Scripture supports moderation in the way of alcoholic beverages.

Irrefutable facts? You posted videos from YouTube. Also, the way you have posted about CBD and MM, including the videos, have made it out to be some wonder cure.

And, I'll say it again... it's no wonder cure. But I will say this. Imagine your child having 17 or more seizures a day. You have to be at the ready because she has stopped breathing on several occasions. You've had her prayed for, but as of yet, you're still waiting on your miracle. You've tried prescription medications and they don't help. Willing to try anything, so you try MM. And to your disbelief... the seizures stop. They begin returning once the MM has cleared her system. So, you manage her symptoms with a daily dosage or a dose every other day. The doctor notes that her brain scans look far more normal than before. She's now sleeping through the night. She's now more alert and playing with other kids. Where she wasn't thriving, now her development is advancing.

Is that a wonder cure? No. But those things mean the world to that parent.

You do bad all by yourself. I'm just saying.

Yeah. I tend to say what I think no matter what others think. I'm not always right. And my views aren't always popular. But, I'm no lapdog. I'll tell you honestly what I think and why. I'm not afraid to buck against stupid traditions and challenge outdated molds. That's just me. So, I admit that it is rather easy to take my words and make them mean something I never intended to say. But when that happens, the onus is on the one twisting my words. It only proves how dishonest they are.

Very few and very far between. Well, the subject is often focused on the false teachers. So, I tend to say more about them in light of the topic. But please, don't think that I lump all pastors together. I don't. I promise that to you.

Does this Pastor prohibit beards on the platform?

He doesn't "prohibit" beards on the platform. He does voice his vision for the image he desires the church to have. And for the most part, I've not seen anyone sporting beards on the platform.

Does he "teach traditions of men as doctrine?"

Nope. He admits that it is his preference. If you asked him, "Am I in sin over my beard?", he'd assure you that it isn't.

You see, he owns his position. He doesn't try to hide behind some silly game of biblical gymnastics to try to threaten Hell upon anyone who might disagree with him. And for the most part, there aren't beards on the platform (like that even matters), and some men wear beards in the congregation. I think he's a good man.

So, no. His traditional vision of a clean appearance isn't taught as a "doctrine". He just shares his opinion. And for the most part, people respect that. Go figure. Honesty, ownership, and respect. That's something ya don't see everyday. lol

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by berkeley

YOU! He doesn’t have the ... to name names.

Me?!?

I paint Chris as bad?

Why can't people just own their own behavior.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

And, I'll say it again... it's no wonder cure. But I will say this. Imagine your child having 17 or more seizures a day. You have to be at the ready because she has stopped breathing on several occasions. You've had her prayed for, but as of yet, you're still waiting on your miracle. You've tried prescription medications and they don't help. Willing to try anything, so you try MM. And to your disbelief... the seizures stop. They begin returning once the MM has cleared her system. So, you manage her symptoms with a daily dosage or a dose every other day. The doctor notes that her brain scans look far more normal than before. She's now sleeping through the night. She's now more alert and playing with other kids. Where she wasn't thriving, now her development is advancing.

How about imagine that it is just another drug, in a more pure from. Just imagine that Big Pharma is using you to broadcast their fables. Just imagine.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Is that a wonder cure? No. But those things mean the world to that parent.

What you refuse to take into consideration is that we have had marijuana for a long time. Other drugs which have been around just as long have been used in the medical field. Yet, you are now hearing these stories not because this drug is any better than any other. But because it is all propaganda to legalize just another substance. Read Brave New World, it is being lived out right in front of you. These drugs will only help the elite do as they ver well please. While they step over our bodies.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yeah. I tend to say what I think no matter what others think. I'm not always right. And my views aren't always popular. But, I'm no lapdog. I'll tell you honestly what I think and why. I'm not afraid to buck against stupid traditions and challenge outdated molds. That's just me. So, I admit that it is rather easy to take my words and make them mean something I never intended to say. But when that happens, the onus is on the one twisting my words. It only proves how dishonest they are.

Listen the reason why they are unpopular is because they don't work. You keep beating your tin drum and we have already been there. It doesn't work, we prove it over and over, and you keep giving us the same old story.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Very few and very far between. Well, the subject is often focused on the false teachers. So, I tend to say more about them in light of the topic. But please, don't think that I lump all pastors together. I don't. I promise that to you.

Well, if we are getting honesty going here, then you can admit that this forum is known for lynch the pastor. I have never seen so many one sided stories concerning the ministry in my life. Also critiques by some who have never led or pastored a church. It gets kinda old reading the same old stupidity when it comes to the ministry.

Originally Posted by Aquila

He doesn't "prohibit" beards on the platform. He does voice his vision for the image he desires the church to have. And for the most part, I've not seen anyone sporting beards on the platform.

Because the majority of what he wants is no beards.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Nope. He admits that it is his preference. If you asked him, "Am I in sin over my beard?", he'd assure you that it isn't.

You see, he owns his position. He doesn't try to hide behind some silly game of biblical gymnastics to try to threaten Hell upon anyone who might disagree with him. And for the most part, there aren't beards on the platform (like that even matters), and some men wear beards in the congregation. I think he's a good man.

No beards on the platform because that is what he wants.

Originally Posted by Aquila

So, no. His traditional vision of a clean appearance isn't taught as a "doctrine". He just shares his opinion.

Share opinion is what he would prefer from the group.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And for the most part, people respect that.

Because they are in agreement and they love him.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Go figure. Honesty, ownership, and respect. That's something ya don't see everyday. lol

Especially on forums.

[berkeley]

He loves a pastor that prohibits beards on the platform..? Make him a thread so he can argue with himselfs.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I have only stood by the truth that the Scripture supports moderation in the way of alcoholic beverages.

Sorry, but the Bible does not support you or the ginger going to the pub for irish, neat, water back.

And you talk of ownership at the bottom of your post here, but refuse to own that you support others drinking alcohol. You've made multiple posts ensuring people understand that you don't believe it to be a sin. In fact, according to you, drinking alcohol is a BLESSING.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And, I'll say it again... it's no wonder cure. But I will say this. Imagine

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yeah. I tend to say what I think no matter what others think. I'm not always right. And my views aren't always popular. But, I'm no lapdog.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'll tell you honestly what I think and why.

"....then when challenged, I will change my honest opinion or claim I'm playing devil's advocate or being multifaceted. Either way, I'm right, you're wrong."

Originally Posted by Aquila

Very few and very far between. Well, the subject is often focused on the false teachers. So, I tend to say more about them in light of the topic. But please, don't think that I lump all pastors together. I don't. I promise that to you.

Tell that to the guy typing your posts. Because whoever is typing your posts is lumping fake crying, Sith Lord pastors together. It's very rare that a post is typed using a Pastor, minister, church or ordinary saint in a positive way.

Originally Posted by Aquila

He doesn't "prohibit" beards on the platform. He does voice his vision for the image he desires the church to have. And for the most part, I've not seen anyone sporting beards on the platform.

Sounds like he may prohibit them. Has he said he would allow a bearded minister to preach?

Originally Posted by Aquila

Nope. He admits that it is his preference. If you asked him, "Am I in sin over my beard?", he'd assure you that it isn't.

WOW! That makes him . . . . exactly like most of the others you have condemned and bashed for teaching man's tradition for doctrine.

Originally Posted by Aquila

You see, he owns his position. He doesn't try to hide behind some silly game of biblical gymnastics to try to threaten Hell upon anyone who might disagree with him. And for the most part, there aren't beards on the platform (like that even matters), and some men wear beards in the congregation. I think he's a good man.

So there are bearded men in the congregation ... but none on the platform??? And you don't believe he has a prohibition against it?

This Pastor is no different than my Pastor, whom you've trashed. No different than my father, whom you've trashed. No different than a thousand other Pastors who "own" their positions, who don't preach it as a salvation issue, who simply want their men to have a "clean image," as that Pastor puts it.

Originally Posted by Aquila

So, no. His traditional vision of a clean appearance isn't taught as a "doctrine". He just shares his opinion.

Beards in the congregation ... none on the platform. Again, it seems as though there is a (silent) prohibition.

Originally Posted by Aquila

And for the most part, people respect that. Go figure.

Yeah, go figure. People respecting a Pastor or minister.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Honesty, ownership, and respect. That's something ya don't see everyday.

Now THAT is something on which we definitely agree. Especially here on AFF.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by berkeley

He loves a pastor that prohibits beards on the platform..? Make him a thread so he can argue with himselfs.

See... this is what I'm talking about. I specifically stated:

He doesn't "prohibit" beards on the platform. He does voice his vision for the image he desires the church to have. And for the most part, I've not seen anyone sporting beards on the platform.

Why would you lie like that to totally twist what I said, just to take a jab at me?

That's what I mean by lies, mischaracterizations, distortions, and slander.

What's wrong with you people? Jesus wouldn't do that.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Sorry, but the Bible does not support you or the ginger going to the pub for irish, neat, water back.

And you talk of ownership at the bottom of your post here, but refuse to own that you support others drinking alcohol. You've made multiple posts ensuring people understand that you don't believe it to be a sin. In fact, according to you, drinking alcohol is a BLESSING.

The Bible doesn't prohibit the drinking of alcohol. It condemns drunkenness. I don't "support" anyone drinking alcohol. That is a decision for the individual. Some would do best to avoid alcohol altogether.

"....then when challenged, I will change my honest opinion or claim I'm playing devil's advocate or being multifaceted. Either way, I'm right, you're wrong."

You're inability to drop your hate and truly have an honest conversation is on you, not me. lol

Tell that to the guy typing your posts. Because whoever is typing your posts is lumping fake crying, Sith Lord pastors together. It's very rare that a post is typed using a Pastor, minister, church or ordinary saint in a positive way.

Look at the brazen distortions their devoted followers engage in. The post above tells an outright lie to distort what I've said, just to take a jab. That's the fruit of the modern pastor??? When "devout" men do that, I expect their "pastor" is far worse. After all, they take their queues from the man of God, right?

Sounds like he may prohibit them. Has he said he would allow a bearded minister to preach?

He has let men with beards preach on the platform. It's not a "prohibition". Most are guest speakers. I asked him once about 6 years ago if he'd let a man with a beard preach on his platform. He mentioned his brother specifically, who has a beard. Being clean shaven is a request. It isn't a mandate, an order, a standard, or a prohibition against beards. It's just a request. And those who regularly serve on the platform love and respect him enough to honor it.

WOW! That makes him . . . . exactly like most of the others you have condemned and bashed for teaching man's tradition for doctrine.

If anyone is like the pastor I've mentioned, those remarks are clearly not intended for them.

So there are bearded men in the congregation ... but none on the platform??? And you don't believe he has a prohibition against it?

Nope. His brother has a beard and has preached there several times. I understand that you can't grasp what I'm saying, legalists typically can't.

This Pastor is no different than my Pastor, whom you've trashed. No different than my father, whom you've trashed. No different than a thousand other Pastors who "own" their positions, who don't preach it as a salvation issue, who simply want their men to have a "clean image," as that Pastor puts it.

If your pastor, your father, and others you're talking about would let a bearded man preach on the platform, then those remarks were not intended for them.

Beards in the congregation ... none on the platform. Again, it seems as though there is a (silent) prohibition.

Nope. When you going to stop sniffing like a hound dog to find a legalism to justify yourself?