Billy Graham

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Think about all the people logged into the internet right now chatting on forums, and here I am, with two guys who know absolute truth, every detail about it, and how God will judge every soul.

I mean, what are the odds? I'm the luckiest man on the planet! Lol

Do you recognize the absurd ad hominem you made? Do you recognize that you are in effect saying "if you claim to know truth you must have omniscient knowledge of all truths"? Do you realize that is a straw man argument? Do you realize that the logical conclusion of your position is that YOU DONT EVEN KNOW YOUR OWN NANE, OR THAT YOU EVEN EXIST?

Because you are in effect saying "you either have omniscience, or nothing certain at all." Which is a false dichotomy.

You've committed the following fallacies in just 3 sentences: attacking our character, setting up a false dilemma, setting up a straw man argument, a weak bandwagon fallacy, and argument by ridicule. 5 fallacies in three sentences!

You are right about one thing, though: YOU DONT KNOW. You don't know what you are talking about, nor do you know what the other side is even getting at. You don't have a clear conception of what you're arguing against.

I think you just like to be a contrarian around here.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

there is absolute truth but no one can know it or understand it.

Nice view you have their...Krishna BaBa Ram

No, seriously. Absolute truth is Jesus Himself. And He can be known. Now, many things we assume we know about Him, are just human interpretations.

Knowing Him, not everything about Him, is knowing the truth that sets you free.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No, seriously. Absolute truth is Jesus Himself. And He can be known. Now, many things we assume we know about Him, are just human interpretations.

Knowing Him, not everything about Him, is knowing the truth that sets you free.

Jesus can be known? So, did the apostles understand and know Him?

Were the apostles able to relay the information correctly?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Do you recognize the absurd ad hominem you made? Do you recognize that you are in effect saying "if you claim to know truth you must have omniscient knowledge of all truths"? Do you realize that is a straw man argument? Do you realize that the logical conclusion of your position is that YOU DONT EVEN KNOW YOUR OWN NANE, OR THAT YOU EVEN EXIST?

Because you are in effect saying "you either have omniscience, or nothing certain at all." Which is a false dichotomy.

You've committed the following fallacies in just 3 sentences: attacking our character, setting up a false dilemma, setting up a straw man argument, a weak bandwagon fallacy, and argument by ridicule. 5 fallacies in three sentences!

You are right about one thing, though: YOU DONT KNOW. You don't know what you are talking about, nor do you know what the other side is even getting at. You don't have a clear conception of what you're arguing against.

I think you just like to be a contrarian around here.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Do you recognize the absurd ad hominem you made? Do you recognize that you are in effect saying "if you claim to know truth you must have omniscient knowledge of all truths"? Do you realize that is a straw man argument? Do you realize that the logical conclusion of your position is that YOU DONT EVEN KNOW YOUR OWN NANE, OR THAT YOU EVEN EXIST?

Because you are in effect saying "you either have omniscience, or nothing certain at all." Which is a false dichotomy.

You've committed the following fallacies in just 3 sentences: attacking our character, setting up a false dilemma, setting up a straw man argument, a weak bandwagon fallacy, and argument by ridicule. 5 fallacies in three sentences!

You are right about one thing, though: YOU DONT KNOW. You don't know what you are talking about, nor do you know what the other side is even getting at. You don't have a clear conception of what you're arguing against.

I think you just like to be a contrarian around here.

Okay. My position is actually the classical position of the Apostolic movement, including most of our founders. It's in the works of Bernard, was taught by Harvey and Hiss Shearer (Huss was my first pastor), and it leaves all judgment in the hands of a righteous God, neither affirming or denying salvation to nominal Christians outside our movement.

These were good men, men of revelations, dreams, and visions. In fact, much of what you appreciate in Pentecost was provided by their hard work, prayers, and dedication. You stand on the shoulders of giants.

Here's my question... (this can be answered by EB too)

Is their any chance you COULD be wrong?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I think you just like to be a contrarian around here.

Contrarian?

No, absolutely not!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Contrarian?

No, absolutely not!

Why? Because your own self perception is your reality.
God gave us instruction through prophets, scribes, and apostles.
The information wasn’t cryptic to the early church. They easily understood what they needed to do. Their only opposition was Biblical Judaism and Kabbalist Gnosticism. Yet, a remnant made it through, to each generation the baton is handed of to the next group of messengers. They were told to believe not every spirit but test those spirits like Jesus tested Satan and Satan’s offspring with the word. At the judgement we will be judged by the Word. Not by your’s or my interpretations. Not by ifs or maybes, but by book chapter and verse. If we don’t have the truth, then buddy boy we best get to finding it. Because our eternity is on the line. This isn’t some sort of celestial roulette where we walk through life not knowing if we are saved or not. But have to wait until we get the surprise at the pearly gates. Paul couldn’t be able to tell us to make our calling an election sure if salvation was some sort of mystery. If truth was so cryptic that we were just guessing at it. No, the Lord Jesus, His Apostles were able to relay the Truth to us clearly. Our feelings of right and wrong or personal experiences aren’t the litmus test for truth, but only the scripture. If you lead an unrepentant life, or a life where you are locked in constant struggle with sin, then self change through repentance is needed. Not hoping that God will flip a coin at the final judgement.

Yes, we are in God’s hands now, and we stand in the middle of an open book. It is what is written in that book that will judge us or free us. We just need to enter in at the strait gate. To encourage others that they too can navigate the narrow path with a Pilgrim’s Progress finding the strait gate to enter through to see the face of Jesus Christ.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Okay. My position is actually the classical position of the Apostolic movement, including most of our founders. It's in the works of Bernard, was taught by Harvey and Hiss Shearer (Huss was my first pastor), and it leaves all judgment in the hands of a righteous God, neither affirming or denying salvation to nominal Christians outside our movement.

These were good men, men of revelations, dreams, and visions. In fact, much of what you appreciate in Pentecost was provided by their hard work, prayers, and dedication. You stand on the shoulders of giants.

Here's my question... (this can be answered by EB too)

Is their any chance you COULD be wrong?

Preacher worship? Good men, wonderful, excellent and admirable. Yet we must make sure the good men are teaching it by the Book. Not their books.

Wrong? About soteriology?

No.

Again this isn’t higher math, or rocket science.

If you are in sin, and leading a conflicted life in the dark corners of your mind, repent. Be free, and allow Jesus to create in you a new mind.

No one needs to be in bondage where they have to create doctrines to give false hope and false comfort. The Bible is plain, we are told there is only One Way.

Best we find it, and be steadfast to remain on it.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Okay. My position is actually the classical position of the Apostolic movement, including most of our founders. It's in the works of Bernard, was taught by Harvey and Hiss Shearer (Huss was my first pastor), and it leaves all judgment in the hands of a righteous God, neither affirming or denying salvation to nominal Christians outside our movement.

These were good men, men of revelations, dreams, and visions. In fact, much of what you appreciate in Pentecost was provided by their hard work, prayers, and dedication. You stand on the shoulders of giants.

Here's my question... (this can be answered by EB too)

Is their any chance you COULD be wrong?

Nonsense. Those men (that is, the "Pioneers of 20th century Pentecost") all held to Sola Scriptura which you "categorically reject". They would have exposed you as a heretical neo-papist for that one thing alone. As for your pastor, don't know him and don't know what he taught. But either he was a mess of a teacher, or you were a mess of a student.

Our doctrine is not based on Bernard, or Ewart, or Goss. It's based on BIBLE. See, we're not impressed by what some famous person said, did, or thought. They get judged by Scripture just like Billy Graham, you, and I get judged, by the same Scripture. In Berea, even Paul had to be judged by SCRIPTURE.

We can debate what THE BIBLE teaches about salvation, and what it says about who makes it and who don't. But if the Bible isn't the Final Authority on the subject, then anything goes and we might as well cast runes and stare at goat intestines to get an answer.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Nonsense. Those men (that is, the "Pioneers of 20th century Pentecost") all held to Sola Scriptura which you "categorically reject". They would have exposed you as a heretical neo-papist for that one thing alone. As for your pastor, don't know him and don't know what he taught. But either he was a mess of a teacher, or you were a mess of a student.

Our doctrine is not based on Bernard, or Ewart, or Goss. It's based on BIBLE. See, we're not impressed by what some famous person said, did, or thought. They get judged by Scripture just like Billy Graham, you, and I get judged, by the same Scripture. In Berea, even Paul had to be judged by SCRIPTURE.

We can debate what THE BIBLE teaches about salvation, and what it says about who makes it and who don't. But if the Bible isn't the Final Authority on the subject, then anything goes and we might as well cast runes and stare at goat intestines to get an answer.