Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Why can't you ever answer?

The bible says MANY times Jesus died ONCE for us. You claim he died twice. What is your answer to the verses that say it was ONCE? Why do they say once?

Okay, then the verse of 1 John is unnecessary today, right?....



If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


What happens if we dont confess our sins to our mediator, Jesus?

Did he take away the sins John is mentioning to the saints in this Epistle without confession?

I agree Jesus died once, but confession is all our lives.

The mediatory role is much more that dying 2000 years ago.

You must think Acts 2:38 is a vending machine?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

Okay, then the verse of 1 John is unnecessary today, right?....



If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


What happens if we dont confess our sins to our mediator, Jesus?

Did he take away the sins John is mentioning to the saints in this Epistle without confession?

I agree Jesus died once, but confession is all our lives.

The question is not about confession. It is about how many times He died! You say He died twice, now you say you agree He died once? Why did you say He died twice?

The mediatory role is much more that dying 2000 years ago.

You must think Acts 2:38 is a vending machine?

What has that got to do with answering my question? Why does the bible repeatedly say Jesus died ONCE? Why does Hebrews, especially, compare the multitude of offerings of animals and how they had atonement every year, but Jesus DIED ONCE?

The bible says the new covenant is far better than the old because they had MANY sacrifices, but WE HAVE ONE. But you come along and say, "Nope! Not one at all. TWO TWO. Jesus died TWICE."

I gave MANY verses that state ONE DEATH, and you will not only ignore them as if I never quoted them, but change the subject altogether!

See, this is where I see you being dishonest over and over again.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

He died before creation.

How could you agree he died once if you said he died before creation?

[Sean]

God witnessed his death before creation and man witnessed it 2000 years ago.

[Sean]

God witnessed his death before creation

Is this impossible?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

It started here...



I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.


And ended up here...


All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth



Thank God he resurrected, huh?

Sean, you really believe this is an answer to what I asked?

I pray you do NOT teach others anything from the Bible.

Look again at ALL I asked. Also, please notice I asked for "detailed" answers, not a goofy one-liner that does not explain anything.

I'll add RED to my questions to make it easier for your reading disability to catch:

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Sean, what did Jesus mean when He said:

"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." (Mat 28:18)

Now if you say this is the Father speaking through the man Jesus, how does that answer the fact that Jesus then said:

"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Mat 28:19)

"Go ye therefore" is the same as saying "since I am the one having "ALL power," go now and baptize in MY NAME, which is the singular name of the Father, son, and Holy Ghost." If I am in error, please explain how.

Since the apostles did baptize in the name of "Jesus," if you're right that Jesus is just a man who only has power because the Father filled Him sometime after the resurrection with the Godhead, shouldn't they have baptized in the name of the "Father," who YOU believe has "all power"?

If the apostles didn't misunderstand, how did them baptizing only in the name of "Jesus," not mean they understood that Jesus alone has "ALL power" in "HEAVEN," thus Jesus is "the Father" and the "Holy Ghost"?

Looking forward to your detailed answers to each of these questions.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

God witnessed his death before creation and man witnessed it 2000 years ago.

So was it one death or not?

[Sean]

Now if you say this is the Father speaking through the man Jesus, how does that answer the fact that Jesus then said:
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." (Mat 28:19)
"Go ye therefore" is the same as saying "since I am the one having "ALL power," go now and baptize in MY NAME, which is the singular name of the Father, son, and Holy Ghost." If I am in error, please explain how.

Since the apostles did baptize in the name of "Jesus," if you're right that Jesus is just a man who only has power because the Father filled Him sometime after the resurrection with the Godhead, shouldn't they have baptized in the name of the "Father," who YOU believe has "all power"?

If the apostles didn't misunderstand, how did them baptizing only in the name of "Jesus," not mean they understood that Jesus alone has "ALL power" in "HEAVEN," thus Jesus is "the Father" and the "Holy Ghost"?

Looking forward to your detailed answers to each of these questions.

Like I said, the Father(Holy Ghost) was in Jesus during his mortal life, when he reached immortality(resurrection), God gave him all power because the resurrection changed him to an omnipresent and immortal spirit.

He had to die/resurrect to retain all of Gods' power. Prior to that, he claimed no personal power.

God made him a resurrecting spirit that could go everywhere at once, appear and disappear before them, yet eat dinner with them.

I just told you Jesus is the name of the Father and that "Jesus" was an INHERITED(pre-owned) name. I guess you did not read it?...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

Jesus is the name of the Father....


43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive....

4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.(Jesus inherited his name from the Father, meaning it 1st belonged to the Father of Jesus)


The name of the son is Jesus.....



The name of the Holy Ghost is Jesus....


But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.(Jesus, today, is a Holy Spirit....the Holy Spirit)

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[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

So was it one death or not?

One death that God witnessed before time began.

God knew Jesus before his birth also....



15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:



He was the first to resurrect, even millenniums before Lazarus etc....


18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead;


Why?....


that in all things he might have the preeminence.