Prophetic word by Bro Arcovio "no election"

[houston]

Originally Posted by Ferd

i don't mind you being a liberal... some of my best friends.... but that word Progressive means something. It means something utterly dark and dangerous. please distance yourself from that.

But he is progressive.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

I get that. But JA predicted there wouldn't be an election -- there was one, regardless of the liberal on here who doesn't believe it was a legitimate election.

I never said that. I said that should it be proven that the Trump Campaign colluded with the Russians to subvert the democratic process, it calls the legitimacy of the election into question. Thus an authentic election never happened.

And JA predicted that not only would there be no election, but that the election would be replaced by an entirely new system -- didn't happen.

I was listening to NPR today and sociologists are seriously considering the impact of fake news on our society. They are calling this, "The Post Truth Era". And they were talking about how the fake news sites and crazy news stories and propaganda are essentially shocking the system. They then discussed "weaponized journalism", which is when fake news is specifically designed to be more than something for laughs, but is rather designed to be used in public discourse to sway opinion. The example they called to mind was the fake news story about Hillary's alleged child sex ring. That story was circulated until a rather unbalanced man got the story, drove across town to the location reported, and shot up the place. But the story was totally fake. They were discussing how this has essentially created a new and treacherous system of public discourse that can actually sway masses against the public good. It was very informative. Point is... this election has opened up what is officially considered a new era with is officially considered an entirely new social dynamic that stands to completely redefine electoral politics as we know it.

But, there are still 700 years, so a lot could happen in that timeframe.

C'mon, you gotta be able to see my point, even if you disagree on this specific situation.

Personally, I see a lot of flesh in these prophecies. I'd take them with a grain of salt. Some are such that I have to step back and try to figure out what the Spirit might have been trying to communicate through him, because something in me feels that there is some kind of truth to the statement, even though the literal verbiage of what he said isn't how I'd word it.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by CC1

I am an avid news follower and do not see what you state at all. Donald Trump said complimentary things about Putin and doesn't seem to have a clue to how dangerous he is but he is the only Republican I know doing that. All of his cabinet appointees in security and the Secretary of State and Ambassador to the United Nations have made it clear the Putin is evil and the evil deeds Russia is involved in from the Crimea to Syria, etc.

So I think it is not correct to say that all of a sudden conservatives are embracing Putin.

hold on a second. Trump has said some complimentary things about Putin. But he has also said he has not met the man and doesn't know if in the end there is any way to work with him but he believes it is worth exploring the opportunity.

The hyperbole exists solely on the progressive side. These same progressives who are pronouncing the evil of Putin were dismissive of the raise eyebrows when Obama was heard on open mic telling the Russians that after the election he would have more "flexibility"

It was the Obama/Hillary team that handed over a very large portion of our Uranium to the RUSSIANS.

It was Obama and company that allowed things to get out of hand in Syria and opened the door for the Russians to waltz in.

It was the Obama team that blustered and frothed at the mouth and did NOTHING when Russia invaded Crimea.... which incidentally was set up by the OBama team doing nothing when the Russians invaded Georgia and took South Ossetia.

Now all the sudden the Russians are uber evil and must be opposed. Its like the left is beating a war drum. Trump is suggesting we have a common enemy (Islamic terror) and PROGS everywhere are all the sudden fronting their patriotic bonifides?

excuse me while I puke. the only thing Conservatives have done is refuse to offer up fake threats or red lines in the sand or stupid moronic rest buttons.

Pelosi says Sessions is evil for meeting a Russian ambassador and she has never even seen one.... except when a pic surfaces of her EATING DINNER WITH HIM.

im pulling my hair out here. this is just insane. Liberals have always been patriotic. PROGS on the other hand aren't at all. they hate America. just walk on any college in America and look for the real Progs.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by n david

I get that. But JA predicted there wouldn't be an election -- there was one, regardless of the liberal on here who doesn't believe it was a legitimate election. And JA predicted that not only would there be no election, but that the election would be replaced by an entirely new system -- didn't happen.

But, there are still 700 years, so a lot could happen in that timeframe.

700 year time line isn't my issue.

As for what JA said.... go back and read what ive said in this thread about that. I stand by every word. breaks my heart to see this guy go from what he was to what he is. im not taking any kind of instruction from him. at all...

I am just saying we are seeing some things (historically speaking) that are new and dangerous. Every day that passes we get some new threat to the very idea of a democratic republic.

[Aquila]

*CAPS for emphasis. Not shouting.

Originally Posted by n david

Who's praising Russia and Putin? I don't know many conservatives who have done this.

You don't know of any conservatives that have done this??? Where have you been, under a rock?

Sure, there's the comments about Putin's stance on homosexuality, but it's a stretch to claim conservatives are "praising" Russia and Putin.

Franklyn Graham praised Putin's actions regarding the homosexual community in Russia. Actions that are rather draconian and heavy handed. Why don't you ever curse Putin and voice concern that Putin may have swayed the election for the candidate he desired to see President of the United States?

And while we're on the subject, obama and Putin used to be BFFs. Mr. "Flexibility" was very complimentary of Putin when he was first elected in 2009.

"I am aware of not only the extraordinary work that you've done on behalf of the Russian people in your previous role as prime minis-, uh, as president, but in your current role as prime minister," obama said.

Politics. It is customary to compliment a new world leader. Since then the Obama Administration was rather critical of Putin.

obama also praised Putin and Russia's help on the disastrous Iran deal, saying it wouldn't have been done without Putin's help.

Iran "claimed" (although I don't think many people really believe them) that the nuclear facilities were for the production of energy for their people and that they were going to move forward with the production of nuclear facilities regardless as to what the West said. I addition, they wouldn't allow inspectors on site of these facilities. Obama's "deal" was that if their facilities are truly for peaceful energy production, we'd provide them the materials to get it up and going. However, since we're assisting in the process, inspectors are to have access to Iranian nuclear facilities.

Now, I can see room to be critical of Obama. However, these are the options as I see them:

- Allow Iran to move forward as they promised with nuclear facilities that are not monitored or inspected by the international community. Absolutely unacceptable in my opinion.

- Launch air strikes against Iran and destroy their nuclear facilities, which they claim are only for producing energy. Absolutely unacceptable in my opinion.

- Agree to assist Iran in the production of nuclear facilities with the caveat that Iran allow the facilities to be monitored by international nuclear inspectors.

I believe President Obama took a middle of the road approach.

I don't remember seeing all you libs up in arms about obama's, and Hillary's, love for Putin and Russia.

Read the news. Moscow and Hillary smile in public and then slash at each other afterwards. Remember when Hillary publically called Putin a "soulless two bit dictator"? And then consider Hillary's stand off with Russia as they advanced into the Ukraine. After Crimea, Hillary addressed Russia as acting like Nazi Germany, and petitioned the NATO to fast track the Ukraine's application for membership, and positioned NATO to be a responding force to any large scale invasion, seeing that the Ukraine was now an applicant.

Russia did NOT want Hillary in office. That alone should tell you that out of Trump and Hillary, Russia felt Hillary would be the hardest on them and challenge their interests.

Is this a joke? Seriously?



You mean the liberals who have spent the past few months rioting, burning cars, breaking windows of businesses, and generally trashing various cities and university campuses?

These issues are complex. If I give you facts and statistics showing that in certain areas of the country minorities are more likely to be dealt with using lethal force, you'll just post some fake news ........ justifying their murder because they are a Democratic voting block. An entire college goes into protest because they don't want to listen to some vicious, racist, hate mongerer... let me guess... you'll defend the racist. These issues are complex. Why would any level headed individual argue for such scum? Let me guess, the individuals who would roll their eyes at the disproportionate numbers of minorities being murdered by officers using lethal force.

What I find interesting is that in England, my fiancé lived in England. Ely to be exact. The bobby cops are so well trained and well versed, they can handle almost any situation they're confronted with, and they aren't even armed with a gun. Their role isn't to be cowboys, but rather public servants who protect and serve their communities. People generally don't fear the police in England.

Here's one for you... while the number minorities killed by law enforcement is disproportionate (meaning you're more likely to get shot for one false move if your black than if you're white) it isn't only minorities that are in danger. Check out this video:

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I am just saying we are seeing some things (historically speaking) that are new and dangerous. Every day that passes we get some new threat to the very idea of a democratic republic.

So very true.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by CC1

I am an avid news follower and do not see what you state at all. Donald Trump said complimentary things about Putin and doesn't seem to have a clue to how dangerous he is but he is the only Republican I know doing that. All of his cabinet appointees in security and the Secretary of State and Ambassador to the United Nations have made it clear the Putin is evil and the evil deeds Russia is involved in from the Crimea to Syria, etc.

So I think it is not correct to say that all of a sudden conservatives are embracing Putin.

Then why don't they support a full investigation into the election hacking?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Ferd

i don't mind you being a liberal... some of my best friends.... but that word Progressive means something. It means something utterly dark and dangerous. please distance yourself from that.

I have called myself a liberal plenty of times. Most conservatives label me a liberal. However, when I'm discussing things with liberals, they call me a progressive. lol Maybe you can help me out. How would you label me?

Politically, this is what I support:

1.) End unjustified wars and occupation with increased international diplomacy & alliances.
2.) Healthcare established as a human right and to be provided by a comprehensive Medicare for all (single payer).
3.) Social justice for the poor & vulnerable through Job Training & strengthening Social Security.
4.) Address corporate power by abolishing corporate personhood, closing tax loopholes, & regulating Wall Street.
5.) Address the very real threat of climate change by investing in clean energy.
6.) Support environmental protection & wildlife conservation (Creation Care).
7.) Stop voter suppression through universal voter registration & 20 day in-person early voting periods.
8.) Create jobs by rebuilding America's failing civil infrastructure & providing tax relief for small businesses.
9.) Strengthen American organized labor & raise the minimum wage.
10.) Affirm both civil & human rights to protect human liberty.
11.) End the failed drug war, end mandatory sentencing, and end for-profit prisons.
12.) Fully subsidized tuition for public schools and state colleges.

Spiritually speaking, some call me a Progressive Christian. I looked this up and this is what I found. For the most part, I do have these leanings. However, I'm not as liberal in some areas as others.

Progressive Christianity: A form of Christianity which is characterized by a willingness to question tradition, acceptance of human diversity, a strong emphasis on social justice and care for the poor and the oppressed, and environmental stewardship of the Earth. Progressive Christians have a deep belief in the centrality of the instruction to "love one another" (John 15:17) within the teachings of Jesus Christ. This leads to a focus on promoting values such as compassion, justice, mercy, tolerance, often through political activism.

What is the dark side of Progressivism from your perspective?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I have called myself a liberal plenty of times. Most conservatives label me a liberal. However, when I'm discussing things with liberals, they call me a progressive. lol Maybe you can help me out. How would you label me?

Politically, this is what I support:

1.) End unjustified wars and occupation with increased international diplomacy & alliances.
2.) Healthcare established as a human right and to be provided by a comprehensive Medicare for all (single payer).
3.) Social justice for the poor & vulnerable through Job Training & strengthening Social Security.
4.) Address corporate power by abolishing corporate personhood, closing tax loopholes, & regulating Wall Street.
5.) Address the very real threat of climate change by investing in clean energy.
6.) Support environmental protection & wildlife conservation (Creation Care).
7.) Stop voter suppression through universal voter registration & 20 day in-person early voting periods.
8.) Create jobs by rebuilding America's failing civil infrastructure & providing tax relief for small businesses.
9.) Strengthen American organized labor & raise the minimum wage.
10.) Affirm both civil & human rights to protect human liberty.
11.) End the failed drug war, end mandatory sentencing, and end for-profit prisons.
12.) Fully subsidized tuition for public schools and state colleges.

Spiritually speaking, some call me a Progressive Christian. I looked this up and this is what I found. For the most part, I do have these leanings. However, I'm not as liberal in some areas as others.

Progressive Christianity: A form of Christianity which is characterized by a willingness to question tradition, acceptance of human diversity, a strong emphasis on social justice and care for the poor and the oppressed, and environmental stewardship of the Earth. Progressive Christians have a deep belief in the centrality of the instruction to "love one another" (John 15:17) within the teachings of Jesus Christ. This leads to a focus on promoting values such as compassion, justice, mercy, tolerance, often through political activism.

What is the dark side of Progressivism from your perspective?

you are a democratic socialist after the manner of Bernie Sanders.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I never said that. I said that should it be proven that the Trump Campaign colluded with the Russians to subvert the democratic process, it calls the legitimacy of the election into question. Thus an authentic election never happened.

Nope. You added the caveat later on.

First you posted flat out 1) no real election, 2) collusion and influence by Russia as fact and 3) election not Constitutional:

Originally Posted by Aquila

What if I told you, there wasn't an "election" as our Constitution would require it???

At least, not an honest election that wasn't influenced by a foreign power and internal departments and parties colluded to destroy a candidate....

Originally Posted by Aquila

Not wanting to debate those issues. However, I'd like to add that on top of those concerns, Trump had the illegal aid of the Russian government. That isn't Constitutional. Therefore, it wasn't an election by Constitutional standards.

You've already declared Trump colluded and Russia illegally aided Trump during the election. Why the backpedal to add "should it be proven?" I thought this was already proven? You've been posting for weeks about how this happened -- as though it's proven fact and evidence exists to indict Trump. But now ... "should it be proven."