Oneness as wrong as two boys kissing!

[Pressing-On]

So says Erick Erickson on his new site - The Resurgent.

He got on his soapbox with this issue when he found out that Paula White was going to pray at Trump's Inauguration. Not defending Paula White, who is on her 3rd marriage to rocker, Jonathan Cain, from Journey. A band I used to listen to when I actually was lost as two boys kissing. But, I checked her website and she, in fact, does embrace the Trinitarian doctrine, so I don't know what Erick is bloviating about.

http://theresurgent.com/an-actual-tr...-inauguration/

Anywayyyyy, here is Erick's swipe at the oneness Pentecostals.

He was so in the tank for Romney, last election cycle, I wonder that he would disparage the Mormons in this article as well.

But the Word Is Not Used

To say you reject the trinity because it is not in the Bible may make you feel intellectual, but it reveals how little you grasp the faith you profess. To be a nontrinitarian is to not be a Christian. It is why Mormonism falls outside Christianity and why Apostolic Oneness falls outside Christianity. You may certainly claim to be a Christian in the same way the gay rights movement claims a boy can be a girl without the girl parts. It’s an appropriate and fitting claim for the 21st century. But just as it does not make the boy a girl, it does not make you a Christian.

http://theresurgent.com/but-the-word-is-not-used/

Feel free to respond to him:

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https://www.facebook.com/ewerickson.personal

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

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Answer not a fool according to his folly.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Answer not a fool according to his folly.

He's been annoying me for some time with his Seminary talk, while he curses. Reminds me of my former Priest, smoking a cigar after Mass and drinking with my father. Something just didn't seem right.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So says Erick Erickson on his new site - The Resurgent.

He got on his soapbox with this issue when he found out that Paula White was going to pray at Trump's Inauguration. Not defending Paula White, who is on her 3rd marriage to rocker, Jonathan Cain, from Journey. A band I used to listen to when I actually was lost as two boys kissing. But, I checked her website and she, in fact, does embrace the Trinitarian doctrine, so I don't know what Erick is bloviating about.

http://theresurgent.com/an-actual-tr...-inauguration/

Anywayyyyy, here is Erick's swipe at the oneness Pentecostals.

He was so in the tank for Romney, last election cycle, I wonder that he would disparage the Mormons in this article as well.



Feel free to respond to him:

https://twitter.com/resurgent
https://www.facebook.com/ewerickson.personal

All I can say is thanks for the publicity.

Sis, if anyone can respond to this joker it is you.

I have no doubt that you will be more than able to stomp him into a ecclesiastical mudhole.

[Originalist]

What neither Oneness or Trinitarian diehards want to admit is that the Oneness doctrine fits under the umbrella of Trinitarianism quite well. In fact, we could be called the "true Tinitarians".

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Originalist

What neither Oneness or Trinitarian diehards want to admit is that the Oneness doctrine fits under the umbrella of Trinitarianism quite well. In fact, we could be called the "true Tinitarians".

Trinitarianism, pretty much, lands on a branch of self-described Tritheism. Erick Erickson doesn't realize, I suppose, that he comes across that way as he tries to knock the Oneness Apostolics.

He wants so badly to explain the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but he only comes across expressing three separate Gods. You can't be one in essence, yet with three distinct persons. And how is Spirit a person anyway?

Trinitarians would have to explain how the Bible lines out a relationship between the "three persons". It never does that. The only clear distinctions made are in the NT and only between the Father and Son. That distinction can only come about because of the incarnation.

Erick talks about the eternal son, but how can Jesus Christ be eternal when he was begotten?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Trinitarianism, pretty much, lands on a branch of self-described Tritheism. Erick Erickson doesn't realize, I suppose, that he comes across that way as he tries to knock the Oneness Apostolics.

He wants so badly to explain the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but he only comes across expressing three separate Gods. You can't be one in essence, yet with three distinct persons. And how is Spirit a person anyway?

Trinitarians would have to explain how the Bible lines out a relationship between the "three persons". It never does that. The only clear distinctions made are in the NT and only between the Father and Son. That distinction can only come about because of the incarnation.

Erick talks about the eternal son, but how can Jesus Christ be eternal when he was begotten?

Let him have it sister!

You tell him how the cow ate the cabbage!

Oh, by the way, does Erick Erickson have any problems with Rabbinical Jews?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Trinitarianism, pretty much, lands on a branch of self-described Tritheism. Erick Erickson doesn't realize, I suppose, that he comes across that way as he tries to knock the Oneness Apostolics.

He wants so badly to explain the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, but he only comes across expressing three separate Gods. You can't be one in essence, yet with three distinct persons. And how is Spirit a person anyway?

Trinitarians would have to explain how the Bible lines out a relationship between the "three persons". It never does that. The only clear distinctions made are in the NT and only between the Father and Son. That distinction can only come about because of the incarnation.

Erick talks about the eternal son, but how can Jesus Christ be eternal when he was begotten?

When I was in Trinitarian Bible College back in the 80's, nobody believed in eternal Sonship. Most of what passes for Trinitarianism today is indeed tritheism.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

So says Erick Erickson on his new site - The Resurgent.

He got on his soapbox with this issue when he found out that Paula White was going to pray at Trump's Inauguration. Not defending Paula White, who is on her 3rd marriage to rocker, Jonathan Cain, from Journey. A band I used to listen to when I actually was lost as two boys kissing. But, I checked her website and she, in fact, does embrace the Trinitarian doctrine, so I don't know what Erick is bloviating about.

http://theresurgent.com/an-actual-tr...-inauguration/

Anywayyyyy, here is Erick's swipe at the oneness Pentecostals.

He was so in the tank for Romney, last election cycle, I wonder that he would disparage the Mormons in this article as well.

Feel free to respond to him:

https://twitter.com/resurgent
https://www.facebook.com/ewerickson.personal

Ridiculous.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Originalist

What neither Oneness or Trinitarian diehards want to admit is that the Oneness doctrine fits under the umbrella of Trinitarianism quite well. In fact, we could be called the "true Tinitarians".

Lots of truth here.

I went to a James White teaching on the Trinity a couple of years ago then ended up in a short back and forth during the Q&A part.

He began by saying that a lot of trinitarians are modalists. Saying the analogies they use that God is like water, ice, steam. Egg, shell, yolk. Sun, heat, rays. 3 leaf clover, etc, were NOT trinitarian and were in fact modalism (their term for oneness). Of course his admission, along with Calvin Beisner's admission, suggest that a sizeable minority if not majority of non seminarian lay people hold to a oneness view, yet use trinitarpentecostalism

I have found this to mostly be the case in my 6 years since leaving oneness pentecostalism. I also find them very inconsistent or at least not careful in how they speak about God, meaning, many times when they are not guarding their speech or being especially alert to teach the trinity, the use language to speak of God the same way oneness people do.

This past Sunday, at the church I have been attending Isaiah 53 was read and the pastor began to pray thanking God for his sacrifice, his blood, coming to take our place, etc, in your name, Amen. The church I attend is STAUNCHLY trinitarian.

Yet, so many of these trinitarians broad brush all oneness people. Not only that, many have not had any real exposure to oneness, and often make uniformed and inaccurate statements. To condemn a person to hell, one would think someone would be concerned to get the facts.

John MacArthur told me to my face "oneness pentecostals believe God was Father, then became the Son, and is now the Holy Ghost". Seriously. How foolish, and I've never known an OP to believe that (though admittedly there are some strange oneness theologies on the fringe).

James White told me "Oneness pentecostals don't believe Jesus is the I Am". Really? Yes, he told me that. I corrected him. Of course he wouldn't accept it.

I've admittedly got an issue with some OP doctrines, practices, and culture. But I don't see any biblical basis for condemning all OPs. I believe part of it is that if a group remains marginalized, then the accepted group retains authority and influence . Sad to say, I think thats how leading trinitarians look at it. They want to see themselves as the only true Christians, the defenders of orthodoxy, and the authority of church doctrine, policy, and practice. IOW they dont really want to understand.