Who's authorized to baptize whom?

[shazeep]

so, you can reload, if you like:

Originally Posted by mfblume

Just look up the term CONGREGATION and study why King James forbade the translators from taking "eklessia" and translating it as ASSEMBLY or CONGREGATION, but only "church". You may see how you'd done fallen right into the kingy-boy's plans!

seems to me that if the K insisted upon "church" there, it would support E's pov, wouldn't it?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Didn't I ask you to relax? What are YOU pushing here?

are you constitutionally unable to give a straight reply to a post, man?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

are you constitutionally unable to give a straight reply to a post, man?

You tell me:

An example from another thread:


Why do YOU keep pointing to what people think of who is lost when they are trying to get you off the focus of PEOPLE and WHO IS LOST to what must we believe to be saved?

Do unto others, zeep.

Man look how far you've taken this thread offcourse.

So why are you against yourself personally assembling?

[CC1]

Originally Posted by shag

So realistically, we're talking #'s around 150-200 genuinely baptized, wouldn't u say...

LOL!!

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Again, don't assemble if you don't want to. I would never want to push you to do something you just won't do. No hassle. relax.

Originally Posted by shazeep

but of course that is not the point here; it is just a convenient tool for you to push your platform. "...something you just won't do?" Where does this stuff even come from? You don't think that perhaps your perception of Scripture runs along the same lines? maybe?

Common Mike you are really starting to sound like a broken record or something.

First off I am pretty sure Shazeep does not mean he does not believe in assembling with other believers. Remember Christ not only used the term "church" but also kingdom of God. In that is seems you have a contradiction in the way you are using the term "church". Even the apostles use the term church both ways. As the local assembly, and the church as a whole, inclusive of all assemblies making up the kingdom of God as a whole. While Catholics twist the term to bring everyone under the Pope, in the true church we are all under Jesus Christ.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Common Mike you are really starting to sound like a broken record or something.

First off I am pretty sure Shazeep does not mean he does not believe in assembling with other believers. Remember Christ not only used the term "church" but also kingdom of God. In that is seems you have a contradiction in the way you are using the term "church". Even the apostles use the term church both ways. As the local assembly, and the church as a whole, inclusive of all assemblies making up the kingdom of God as a whole. While Catholics twist the term to bring everyone under the Pope, in the true church we are all under Jesus Christ.

Guys, I really don't care.

[shazeep]

what? you really don't care? about what, exactly?

Originally Posted by mfblume

You tell me:

An example from another thread:


Why do YOU keep pointing to what people think of who is lost when they are trying to get you off the focus of PEOPLE and WHO IS LOST to what must we believe to be saved?

Do unto others, zeep.

Man look how far you've taken this thread offcourse.

um, and you see no problems with this, importing posts from another thread that i answered quite plainly, and simultaneously talking about me derailing the thread.

Originally Posted by mfblume

So why are you against yourself personally assembling?

what? i mean, are you kidding me, or what? Because this is the place where you are best in a position to clarify

seems to me that if the K insisted upon "church" there, it would support E's pov, wouldn't it?

not demonstrate a proclivity for confusion, don't you think? Shall we go back a couple posts and see where the thread got derailed, MB? Could you tell me what the point would be, at this stage? Can you finish this sentence, "The thread was just derailed at post ____?"

So, you might see that i define personally assembling and Church in a different manner from you, and perhaps wherever two or three are gathered in My Name as well. When is the last time you had two or three gathered in your "church," MB? During your service? Hmm? Reply to this, and i will answer your "question," which is really kind of an answer, isn't it.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Common Mike you are really starting to sound like a broken record or something.

First off I am pretty sure Shazeep does not mean he does not believe in assembling with other believers. Remember Christ not only used the term "church" but also kingdom of God. In that is seems you have a contradiction in the way you are using the term "church". Even the apostles use the term church both ways. As the local assembly, and the church as a whole, inclusive of all assemblies making up the kingdom of God as a whole. While Catholics twist the term to bring everyone under the Pope, in the true church we are all under Jesus Christ.

ah, well MB does not care about that! But imo you put it well; although i might suggest that it is Catholicism--and our OP brethren here, of course, under themselves i guess--that does that, while an individual Catholic might often evince an understanding of the latter relationship. No doubt you would agree, just shorthand.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You tell me:

An example from another thread:

[Esaias]

Shaz, do you assemble with other Christians, and if so how, when, where? Not needing contact info of course, just a general idea of if you do and how?