Unbound: The Conscience of a Republican Delegate

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by n david

No. There's just nothing more to say to a guy who straddles the fence, refusing to take a side, who claims not to support or defend Trump (while defending Trump) and who sees a conspiracy behind every shrub.

The guy just posted it wouldn't matter if the GOP lost control of Congress. Tell that to the Democrat hounds of hell who are itching to pass their left-wing, progressive legislation.

Straddles the fence? lol

Anyone who reads my posts knows I'm a theonomist who refuses to support ANY republican or democrat. PERIOD.

I told you in the beginning Trump is the fall guy for Shrillary's November victory, IMO.

I could be wrong. Trump might be installed. Who knows? Who cares? You and I have exactly butkus to do with the outcome.

I have not "defended" Trump. I HAVE pointed out the hypocrisy of the "republican CRUZservative" crowd of two here.

Your tinfoil has given you aluminum poisoning, its affecting your eyesight.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You continue to be in denial. The delegates should not be free to go against the will of the people. Had the delegates been free in 1980 I guarantee you Reagan would have lost the nomination. ANY flaw of Trump is better than the establishment hack candidates. Get over it.

[Pressing-On]

This is the real issue with freeing the delegates. It isn't as much about dumping Trump as it is about fairness and principle - which the Republican Party is lacking in.

I understand and respect what Kendal Unruh and so many others have been involved in doing in trying to unbind the delegates at the GOP convention. In one sense, they are trying to save the country from Hillary Clinton, which is a noble and worthy goal, and anyone who engages in it should be supported to the greatest practical measure.

It looks like the effort will likely come to naught, which is regrettable for the sake of the country. But it isn't regrettable in this sense: because the GOP does not deserve to be saved from itself by conservatives. They deserve what is about to happen to them at the hands of Trump. And if the good party in America is so rotten as to deserve Trump, then maybe the country as a whole deserves Hillary.

It was the GOP who changed the rules after 2012 to provide the early front runner an overwhelming delegate advantage, after they saw how narrowly their favored pick Mitt Romney escaped with a victory. They put into place a delegate selection system that was specifically designed to prevent conservative challengers from having a chance to unseat moderates.

That selection system is what allowed Trump to mathematically eliminate Cruz and the rest in spite of only having gotten about 40% of the popular vote to that point. They are now bound by the consequences of that choice, which is that Trump has crossed the bound delegate threshold despite not having come close to earning a proportional popular vote.

See more: http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/...-worth-saving/

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Misrepresentation? What in the world are you reading from your article?

Maybe I read it wrong, but you made it sound as though he said he did not care if Congress went to the Dems.
That is not what he said.
The question was specifically about the Senate, not the House.
And he said that he wished for the Reps to win, but he could handle it if they did not.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Maybe I read it wrong, but you made it sound as though he said he did not care if Congress went to the Dems.
That is not what he said.
The question was specifically about the Senate, not the House.
And he said that he wished for the Reps to win, but he could handle it if they did not.

She did. You are correct.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Maybe I read it wrong, but you made it sound as though he said he did not care if Congress went to the Dems.
That is not what he said.
The question was specifically about the Senate, not the House.
And he said that he wished for the Reps to win, but he could handle it if they did not.

Oh my goodness, if he doesn't care if he loses the Senate, he doesn't care about the House. Hence, he doesn't care about the Congress BECAUSE he wants to be a "FREE AGENT".

Good grief! That doesn't bother you? He is KING!

That is NOT how our government is set up. Ask George Washington who refused to be a KING.


Anyway, on a side note, today they are gathering signatures from the main body of delegates to bring the unbinding to a floor vote. Kendall has already stated they have several plans in place because they expect the GOPe to run rough shod over the conservatives.

This fight is about the Moderates always manipulating the election process to push aside any Conservatives. Ken Cuccinelli is one example of the GOPe supporting a Democrat so that he (a conservative) wouldn't win as Governor in VA. If ya'll are okay with this type of stuff, then there isn't much else to say.

And I do remember several people posting here, including Esaias, who was thoroughly angered by how the GOPe changed the rules to push aside Ron Paul, who clearly had the delegates. That rule change is what allowed Trump to triumphant over anyone else, while not getting the popular vote at the time. If that rule had not been changed for Romney, Trump wouldn't be our nominee.

ALL this group (FTD -Free The Delegates) wants is to not allow any changes to be made - ever. But, NO, the GOPe wants to manipulate the vote very 4 years. We shouldn't allow this top down effect to be in place. I am thankful that someone like Senator Mike Lee took to the floor last night to express those sentiments.

If we are willing to engage in political discussions here, we should also be willing to fight for the things that make us stronger, fair and representative of the people. Trump has run a stealth independent campaign inside the GOP. That should bother us - a lot.

And while I am at it on the SCOTUS picks for the future - our Federal courts are already a dumpster fire. Did John Roberts reform anything? My local country Sheriff even discussed this with me. The Federal courts are hammering the states.

We don't have a party who is willing to strip the judiciary down to its original function — interpreting the law and not reinterpreting the Constitution.

With Trump running around suing people at will and calling for more lawsuits - you think he is going to reform anything? Every Rhino winning down ballot with Trump as the nominee, nothing is going to change.

So, don't try to slap down the fear factor on me about the SCOTUS. Yes, Ferdinand. I am talking to you as well.

[aegsm76]

po - I believe you are reading a lot into the quote.
Here it is again.
link
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/1...-agent-either/

snippet
When I asked him recently whether the party’s maintaining its majority in the Senate meant anything to him, he replied: “Well, I’d like them to do that. But I don’t mind being a free agent, either.”

He does not say that he does not care. As a matter of fact he says he would like to retain the Senate.
The interesting thing on this quote is I cannot find anywhere the exact wording of the question that was asked.
Makes me wonder how it was framed.

[n david]

"I don't mind" is the same general concept as "I don't care."

I don't mind is meaning you don't object; I don't care means you don't have any interest in it.

Either way, it's a negative in regards to losing control to the Democrats.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

"I don't mind" is the same general concept as "I don't care."

I don't mind is meaning you don't object; I don't care means you don't have any interest in it.

Either way, it's a negative in regards to losing control to the Democrats.

And obvious he is a one man show. Picking Pence was strategic because he is BETA. Trump can't have an Alpha. He's the top dog.

You know what is insulting, but more than insulting, embarrassing? Trump's marketing tool was to talk down to people like a 12-year old. What does that tell us about the intelligence of our nation?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

po - I believe you are reading a lot into the quote.
Here it is again.
link
http://hotair.com/archives/2016/07/1...-agent-either/

snippet
When I asked him recently whether the party’s maintaining its majority in the Senate meant anything to him, he replied: “Well, I’d like them to do that. But I don’t mind being a free agent, either.”

He does not say that he does not care. As a matter of fact he says he would like to retain the Senate.
The interesting thing on this quote is I cannot find anywhere the exact wording of the question that was asked.
Makes me wonder how it was framed.

I think you're trying so hard to defend him, you are trying to read something that ISN'T there - loyalty. He is only loyal to himself.

"Well, I'd like them to do that." Meaning, but if they don't, I'm cool with that, because I like being a "free agent".

What does "FREE" mean to you in that scenario? It means free of the Republicans, free from the Democrats. Ann Coulter's book, "In Trump We Trust"... Is he is own God?