Trump on the Constitution, Liberty and Freedom

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

"show your bias" "zero credibility"
That is what I mean by attacks.
There is a way to dialogue, without attacking the person

ND will never be able to prove that "white nationalists" make up a nose hair's worth of Trump supporters or are in any way a major contributor (numerically) to his constituency.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by n david

You're an idiot.



""But all Trumpsters care about is nationalism and Trump kicking out Hispanics and Latinos and building a Trump wall.""

The poll reflects my quote. You want to split hairs, whatever. You know the majority of illegals come from South of the border. Or maybe you're just that stupid, I don't know.

Call me whatever name you like. You have not proven your case. Nor will the fact that a handful of white nationalists endorse Trump prove your assertion that Trump supporters want Hispanics and Latinos kicked out of the country for their race. You show yourself every day to be a leftist by your methods. You are the only one interested in the racial make-up of illegals. Don't assume the rest of us are. FYI-my wife is a Mexican who migrated here legally in 2001 and who just became a U.S, citizen. So your race card pandering won't work here, ND.

And btw, creating 5 or 6 posts in a row, instead of consolidating your comments into one post will not work at trying to overwhelm anyone.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

nd - hey guess what, I found statistics that show the 69% are right.
http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households
snippet
he average household headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) costs taxpayers $6,234 in federal welfare benefits, which is 41 percent higher than the $4,431 received by the average native household.
So, Trump supporters are right.

Now let's go back to your original point.
I see nothing from this poll to prove your contention.
If you stated that Trump supporters are more likely to want to deport illegal immigrants than others, this would be correct.
However, not even the majority of Trump supporters support an active deportation of illegal immigrants, much less all Hispanics and Latinos.

Can you clarify what you meant by your statement?

The NeverTrump crowd wants open borders. Simple. 'Conservative' was sold to the people as being against uncontrolled immigration, amnesty, open borders, etc etc. People were duped into thinking 'conservative' was essentially America First. But it wasn't, and this election cycle proved it to millions of people. In fact, the past 4 years of nonstop capitulation to Ozero's agenda proved it.

Thus, 'the Trump phenomenon.'

A large number of Americans are America First, nationalist, and genuinely conservative (they want to CONSERVE America, its traditions, values, wealth, resources, etc). They have dumped the fake 'conservative' neocon uniparty 'Good Old Boys' club in favor of what they believe is an independent man who will help wreck the neocon/neoliberal parasite establishment that is sucking the life out of the nation.

Unfortunately, Trump is meeting with Kissinger, indicating he may very well be just the latest 'play' the globalist 'powers that be' have put up to help manage the outrage they have engendered. Best way to defeat the opposition is to lead it, after all...

[n david]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

"show your bias" "zero credibility"
That is what I mean by attacks.
There is a way to dialogue, without attacking the person

Again, it's stating the obvious, not meant as an attack. You have no credibility when you come after me and ignore the other party who is just as guilty, if not moreso.

[aegsm76]

nd - I apologize if you believe I was calling you out.
I am sincerely trying to help all of us to have a civil discourse.
You bring up good points that need to be discussed in civil fashion.
God Bless.

[aegsm76]

Now, here is a good point, I just thought of.
I would wager that Romney had far more white nationalist supporting him than Trump does.
Therefore Romney supporters must have been more racist than Trump supporters...

[n david]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

nd - hey guess what, I found statistics that show the 69% are right.
http://cis.org/Cost-Welfare-Immigrant-Native-Households
snippet
he average household headed by an immigrant (legal or illegal) costs taxpayers $6,234 in federal welfare benefits, which is 41 percent higher than the $4,431 received by the average native household.
So, Trump supporters are right.

Now let's go back to your original point.
I see nothing from this poll to prove your contention.
If you stated that Trump supporters are more likely to want to deport illegal immigrants than others, this would be correct.
However, not even the majority of Trump supporters support an active deportation of illegal immigrants, much less all Hispanics and Latinos.

Can you clarify what you meant by your statement?

Here's a thought, instead of drinking 0's poison and buying his narrative, read the full post. I'll post it here for you:

Originally Posted by n david

When I post that Trump as POTUS would destroy conservativism and be no better and likely worse than 4 years of Hillary, this is another reason why.

This should alarm conservatives. It should be more proof that Trump is a fraud and not conservative at all.

But all Trumpsters care about is nationalism and Trump kicking out Hispanics and Latinos and building a Trump wall.

Every day more than ever.... #NeverTrump

I'd recommend reading the OP as well. There something called context, which 0 and now you, have completely missed.

0 wanted to focus on something he could use to attack me, and ignored the rest.

Were I able, I would remove the reference to Hispanics and Latinos so 0 wouldn't have been able to distract from the subject of the thread.

Trump's lack of respect for the constitution, freedom and liberty proves even more he is not conservative. And a Trump Presidency would destroy conservativism in a way a Hillary Presidency would not.

But all that Trumpsters care about is nationalism, kicking out illegals (the majority of whom come from Mexico and Latin America), and building a wall.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Originalist

FYI-my wife is a Mexican who migrated here legally in 2001 and who just became a U.S, citizen. So your race card pandering won't work here, ND.

And your point is...? Nevermind, I really don't care.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by n david

Here's a thought, instead of drinking 0's poison and buying his narrative, read the full post. I'll post it here for you:



I'd recommend reading the OP as well. There something called context, which 0 and now you, have completely missed.

0 wanted to focus on something he could use to attack me, and ignored the rest.

Were I able, I would remove the reference to Hispanics and Latinos so 0 wouldn't have been able to distract from the subject of the thread.

Trump's lack of respect for the constitution, freedom and liberty proves even more he is not conservative. And a Trump Presidency would destroy conservativism in a way a Hillary Presidency would not.

But all that Trumpsters care about is nationalism, kicking out illegals (the majority of whom come from Mexico and Latin America), and building a wall.

I did read the post, but got caught up in the "struggle of the moment" over the Hispanics and Latinos phrase.

If Trump will put us on a path to "handle" the illegal immigration issue, than he will have completed more than any POTUS in our time.
In my opinion.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

If Trump will put us on a path to "handle" the illegal immigration issue, than he will have completed more than any POTUS in our time.
In my opinion.

Far more than any 'conservative' has, that's for sure. When 'conservatives' claim Trump will 'destroy conservativism', you have to wonder what 'conservativism' they are talking about....