Trump on the Constitution, Liberty and Freedom

[aegsm76]

nd - jd and I used to be at odds, many times, and it got more heated than it needed to at times.
However, we both resorted to pm's and got to know and value each other as people and brothers.
We still disagree on much, but we still value each other.
That is what I am referring to.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

nd - jd and I used to be at odds, many times, and it got more heated than it needed to at times.
However, we both resorted to pm's and got to know and value each other as people and brothers.
We still disagree on much, but we still value each other.
That is what I am referring to.

I feel sorry for ND. He cannot accept that I was not trying to drum up some scheme to lie about him. i was responding to his attack on Trump supporters and unintentionally said he attributed certain things to Trump instead of Trump's supporters. As is his norm, he blows it out of proportion and goes on the attack. When i wrestled the conversation back on the false claims about Trump supporters, he digs in deeper claiming that polls back up his claims. He produces no polls, then cites the fact that Trump's supporters want deportations to happen and a wall to be build to support his false claim that "Trump supporters want Latinos and Hispanics kicked out". He tries to make a race issue. Trump supporters are not wanting "Latinos and Hispanics thrown out" as ND claims. ND is intentionally being misleading suggesting that we want a certain race expelled regardless of their legal status. We do want many people who are here illegally deported, and we want the wall built. But the race of the illegals is of no concern to us. ND suggests otherwise.

[n david]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

nd - did some quick google work to try and find these polls.
Maybe I'm just bad at google searches, today, but can you give me a link that supports your assertion that Trump supporters want Hispanics and Latinos thrown out of the country?

First, read my full quote...not just the one part Lyin' 0 keeps whining about. You're showing your bias doing that.

Originally Posted by n david

But all Trumpsters care about is nationalism and Trump kicking out Hispanics and Latinos and building a Trump wall.

There are three things:
1. Nationalism
2. Deportation
3. Wall

0, and you, want to focus on the one, due to how I wrote it.

69% of Trumpsters view immigrants as a "burden" (note, this appears to also include legal immigrants, as the poll also asks about "undocumented."

52% Trump supporters want deportation of undocumented immigrants

42% of Trump supporters want a "national law enforcement effort" for deportation of undocumented immigrants.

84% of Trumpsters want a wall

http://www.people-press.org/files/20...-release-1.pdf

[n david]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I feel sorry for ND. He cannot accept that I was not trying to drum up some scheme to lie about him. i was responding to his attack on Trump supporters and unintentionally said he attributed certain things to Trump instead of Trump's supporters.

Again, not buying your "oops" lie. Next time copy and paste, don't type it in. You obviously can't type an accurate quote.

Originally Posted by Originalist

As is his norm, he blows it out of proportion and goes on the attack.

More lies. Hell is hot, Lyin' 0 you should stop lying.

Originally Posted by Originalist

When i wrestled the conversation back on the false claims about Trump supporters, he digs in deeper claiming that polls back up his claims. He produces no polls, then cites the fact that Trump's supporters want deportations to happen and a wall to be build to support his false claim that "Trump supporters want Latinos and Hispanics kicked out".

Excuse me for having other things to do, jerk. I mentioned polling data less than three hours ago. I had a meeting at work and wasn't able to post. The poll has been posted. The data is there. Facts don't care about your feelings.

[n david]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

nd - jd and I used to be at odds, many times, and it got more heated than it needed to at times.
However, we both resorted to pm's and got to know and value each other as people and brothers.
We still disagree on much, but we still value each other.
That is what I am referring to.

Again, singling me out and not taking issue with 0's attacks shows your bias and gives you zero credibility.

You make it appear as though 0 is some innocent party to the arguments, while I'm the mean one.

0 has had it coming for a long time. His condescending insults have continued and built up over time. Once he fabricated a false quote and refused to admit it was wrong, you bet I came out swinging. I'm sick of it. He's dishonest and a liar.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Originalist

He produces no polls,

You were saying...?


69% of Trumpsters view immigrants as a "burden" (note, this appears to also include legal immigrants, as the poll also asks about "undocumented."

52% Trump supporters want deportation of undocumented immigrants

42% of Trump supporters want a "national law enforcement effort" for deportation of undocumented immigrants.

84% of Trumpsters want a wall

http://www.people-press.org/files/20...-release-1.pdf

You have to have at least 5th grade level of reading comprehension to read the poll, something which Lyin' 0 lacks.

[n david]

From the poll Lyin 0 suggested I didn't have...

"""Nearly seven-in-ten Republican voters who support Donald Trump (69%) say immigrants burden the country, compared with just 20% who say they strengthen the country. """

"""Republicans and Republican leaners who support Donald Trump are split on whether undocumented immigrants currently in the country should be able to stay here legally, if certain requirements are met: 52% say undocumented immigrants should not be allowed to stay in the country legally."""


"""Among Republican and Republican-leaning voters, 32% say there should be a national law enforcement effort to deport all immigrants who are now living in the U.S. illegally. Supporters of Donald Trump are the most likely to take this position (42% say this)"""

"""84% of Republicans who support Donald Trump favor building a wall along the entire border with Mexico"""

[n david]

About this whining over the term "Hispanics and Latinos:" don't play stupid and pretend to be offended. Mexico and Latin American countries contribute the most illegal immigrants. You know this. You're blowing it out of proportion and making a big deal over something you already know and cannot argue against.

It doesn't matter if I would have stated "all Trumpsters care about is nationalism and Trump kicking out illegals and building a Trump wall," the message is the same. It's all they care about.

The moron Cruz tried having a conversation with in Indiana was a perfect example of a Trumpster.

They don't care that Trump isn't conservative. They don't care his waffling on gun rights, abortion, first amendment rights. None of that matters to most of Trump supporters.

Nationalism, deporting illegals and the wall is all they care about.

[Esaias]

Cruz was his own worst enemy, and his cult followers are their own worst enemy. I've noticed across the web on different forums how people have complained about how nasty and vicious many of Cruz' supporters are.

I can believe it, its been on display here for some time.

Cultists. Seriously, it's like some kind of mind controlled cult brainwashing that makes people oblivious to reality. and the lashing out is really sad, actually.

Thankfully, they aren't really relevant.

[Originalist]

NDavid,


Citing polls that show immigration issues are paramount with Trump supporters in no way proves your accusation that Trump supporters want Hispanics and Latinos kicked out. As I stated previously, the race of the illegals is of no significance. It does not matter if they all came from Canada. You indeed continue to make veiled accusations of racism against Trump supporters for their concerns over immigration, something the left-wing does often. Calling me a liar does not change the facts of what you said and your continued, disingenuous attempts at justifying it.

And frankly, I do not care if you accept my explanation or not for the misquote. You have no way to prove I'm lying. I have no reason to lie. This is an attempt on your part to distract from your false accusations of racism against Trump supporters. So if you don't want people calling you out and exposing your petty slanders, stop making false accusations.