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Originally Posted by shazeep
well, i'm sorry if i gave you the impression that i have any hatred, or think you are horrible. I have gone out of my way to not convey that impression. I also never expected you to accept anyone as saved. Do you guys still not get that this is not about Muslims, or anyone else? Do you just not care that Pentecostalism is self-destructing?
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You never expected me to accept anyone as saved? Do you mean you thought I believed everybody is lost? Or are you saying you were not trying to get me or anyone else to accept any particular person or group as 'saved'?
In any event, the Bible is clear - there are people who are saved, and there re people who are not saved, ie lost. The ones who are saved are those who have faith in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, who have entered the new covenant through repentance, baptism in the name of the Lord, and who have received the Holy Spirit, and who continue in the teachings of the apostles (the faith once delivered to the saints). Outside that, there is no salvation.
I know that those outside the faith don't like hearing that. Who likes being told they are not in the will of God and headed for the lake of fire? But the Bible is unequivocal on this matter. And the 'gospel' is the message that ALTHOUGH you are lost and going to hell in a handbasket, God doesn't want you to, and has made a way for you to escape that destiny, through faith in Jesus Christ.
Muslims do not have the faith once delivered to the saints. They are not in the new covenant. Neither are atheists, pagans, Buddhists, etc etc etc. Therefore they are lost. It has NOTHING AT ALL to do with being mean or 'judgmental'.
Is it mean or judgmental to say Muslims are not Christians? OR that Christians are not Muslims? Of course not, it is simply a statement of fact. And that is ALL we have been saying. Muslims need to 'get saved', that is, they need to follow the Bible, not the Koran or the Hadith or anything else for that matter. They need to have faith in Christ.
YOU on the other hand have redefined the gospel into saying 'Muslims are nice people and help the poor and do good deeds therefore they are not lost, and if you say anyone is lost you are lost and mean and judgmental and hypocritical and etc etc etc.' Which is flatly ridiculous and illogical and unbiblical.
In addition, you seem to have some kind of animosity towards Christianity in general. 'Pentecostalism is self destructing'? Really? It's the fastest growing 'religion' on earth. Statistically speaking, the whole world will be Pentecostal Christian in about 200 years (assuming everything else stays the same). lol
Your attempt to equate a strong stand for the plain truth of the Bible with western corporate and military actions in the mid east is laughable and reprehensible. The US Army is not over there converting anyone to Bible Christianity. In fact, a strong stand for Biblical truth would demand an END to much of the western world's activities as they currently exist in governmental and economic policies.
You say this is 'not about Muslims or anyone else'. Then it's not about anybody at all? The whole subject of this thread is 'what about' a particular grouping of people. The entire discussion has been about certain 'anybodies' and their relation to other 'anybodies'. You REALLY REALLY REALLY need to step back from whatever it is you are imbibing, and learn some basic logical thinking. I do not mean that as an insult, I mean that sincerely. You are literally not making any SENSE. Your 'arguments' are simply non rational and follow ZERO logical trajectory. It's pure hype and emotion.
Trying to equate simple statements of fact (the Bible identifies who is saved and who is lost) with mean spiritedness is pure balderdash. It's pure and simple straight up emotionalistic hype and propaganda. IT's the magic 'koolaid'. IT is the kind of garbage pushed out over the airwaves by the media. It is utterly opposed to rationalism, realism, critical thinking, logic, and plain common sense.
If you cannot get past that then there is no dialogue. It's just you screaming at us to bend the knee to your personal feelings, nothing more. If that's the case then I really do pity you. It means you're just another statistic, yet another victim of modern society's war on reason and common sense. It means you've become a casualty in the infowar and don't even know it.
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