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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore
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I wonder how many Pentecostals are on the circuit in greater Houston area. Here today and next time you see them "the Lord has led them somewhere else".  |
Many of them leaving we're very faithful and devoted people they just would stay with the church going another direction.
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02-20-2015, 07:13 PM
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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore
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Many of them leaving we're very faithful and devoted people they just would stay with the church going another direction.
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Well, that's just sad for a person to invest their time, energy and money and then watch it all slip away.
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02-20-2015, 07:23 PM
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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore
i know it seems that way, but God's ways are not our ways. It is very questionable whether Christ wants a believer to attempt to know Him through a single pastor over a long period. This is most likely a door to higher learning for many of these people. God seems to be always forcing us out of our comfort zones.
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02-20-2015, 09:49 PM
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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore
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Many of them leaving we're very faithful and devoted people they just would stay with the church going another direction.
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No doubt. I am sure those who didn't want change would not feel comfortable at Life Church now and needed to find a new church home.
Of course I believe that will be best for all in the long run as that will free Life Church from having dissent and friction from those who do not agree. I believe God will replace those who leave with a multiple many times that number. So both the ones leaving, Life Church, the other churches, and the Great Commission all win!
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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02-20-2015, 09:58 PM
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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore
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No doubt. I am sure those who didn't want change would not feel comfortable at Life Church now and needed to find a new church home.
Of course I believe that will be best for all in the long run as that will free Life Church from having dissent and friction from those who do not agree. I believe God will replace those who leave with a multiple many times that number. So both the ones leaving, Life Church, the other churches, and the Great Commission all win!
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CC1 - to a certain extent, I agree with you. However, as I have said many times, I have rarely, very rarely, observed a UPC church go through this process and hold on to the basic doctrine. They may hold on to it for a while, but it seems to slip away at some point.
Seems like you witnessed this first-hand.
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02-21-2015, 06:47 AM
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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore
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CC1 - to a certain extent, I agree with you. However, as I have said many times, I have rarely, very rarely, observed a UPC church go through this process and hold on to the basic doctrine. They may hold on to it for a while, but it seems to slip away at some point.
Seems like you witnessed this first-hand.
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Yes, once you leave and start examining everything you have been taught your whole life you discover interesting life changing things like the fact that trinitarians do NOT believe in three Gods! Once that bogeyman is gone other believers are no longer demonized and de-christianized.
Then of course the whole three step vs one step for salvation comes into play. If that is done correctly then water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit is still emphasized just not as something that determines your salvation but as something every christian should want.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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02-21-2015, 09:48 AM
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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore
ATTENTION!
WARNING!
Slippery Slope Alert!!!!
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02-21-2015, 10:33 AM
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02-21-2015, 10:15 PM
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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore
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Yes, once you leave and start examining everything you have been taught your whole life you discover interesting life changing things like the fact that trinitarians do NOT believe in three Gods! Once that bogeyman is gone other believers are no longer demonized and de-christianized.
Then of course the whole three step vs one step for salvation comes into play. If that is done correctly then water baptism and the baptism of the Holy Spirit is still emphasized just not as something that determines your salvation but as something every christian should want.
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02-21-2015, 10:17 PM
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Re: Harold Hoffman attacks Jim Kilgore
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ATTENTION!
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
Scripture is its own interpreter. Nothing can cut a diamond but a diamond. Nothing can interpret Scripture but Scripture" Thomas Watson.
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