I would tend to believe that he is trying to make a case that not every Muslim interprets Quran, Hadiths, and the religion's creator Muhammad's words in the same manner. So, like others forms of Christianity sees things differently which sometimes produces bad results, and forms of Islam can be viewed the same way. Therefore a broad brush sweep of Islam cannot make them all child marrying, wife beating, female circumcising, honor killing, bomb blasting Jihadists. It has more to do with human nature than religion, and men will modify the religion to suit their needs. Take for example the American Islam of Mormonism. Same flawed thinking, applied to modifications of existent religions already available to the creator of the religion. Those flawed understandings get worse from their foundation on up, and you end up with horrible stories like "Under the Banner of Heaven," or a group like the Fundamentalist LDS. I personally know people who are Quran only believers, who totally disagree with the Hadiths, and that is how THEY reconcile problems within their religion. Yet, they are viewed as innovators, and are on the fringe of Islam. There are also Torah only Jews, and Book of Mormon only Mormons, they all discard the later writings of their religions to reconcile the problems those religions have through their extra books.
Do they? I didn't know it. I had a JW knock at my door, misrepresenting why they were there - claimed to be regarding children's education. The woman was training the young man that was with her. I could see she was getting really upset over my questioning of her beliefs. LOL!
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My point to shazeep was that we don't have a long history of mayhem, like Islam, Catholics, Presbyterians or the Church of England. So, the Muslims past, and present have more of a history of bloodshed then anything you can find with the Charismatics, Pennycostals or snake handlers.
well, but this is still only an opinion, and one that many people can justifiably argue. Pentecostalism has caused an as yet untold amount of suffering and wandering to nascent believers. I imagine that it has produced many atheists. The similarity to the eugenics movement alone is chilling, and a valid trace can be made from one to the other. They both started about the same time, and most Pentecostals of the day--although, like the nazi party, everyone denies it now--went to "better families" and "better babies" contests at the state fair. Doesn't mean all Pents are bad. It is what it is. Peace to you.
well, but this is still only an opinion, and one that many people can justifiably argue. Pentecostalism has caused an as yet untold amount of suffering and wandering to nascent believers.
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I imagine that it has produced many atheists.
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The similarity to the eugenics movement alone is chilling, and a valid trace can be made from one to the other. They both started about the same time, and most Pentecostals of the day--although, like the nazi party, everyone denies it now--went to "better families" and "better babies" contests at the state fair. Doesn't mean all Pents are bad. It is what it is. Peace to you.
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ok laugh now, cry later? At least admit that your biased. You really think eugenics is unconnected, or funny somehow?
Eugenics?
Pentecostals?
Oh, makes total sense....
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
"Funny, it's all the rage to dis Muhammad, but Muslims are still the bad guys?"it seems to me that to hold this position one would not only be ignoring the quite heinous history of the Christian church, but also refusing to acknowledge that Allah would only do just what God would do to unrepentant sinners;
i got this far and had to stop reading. didnt want to break my computer screen.
so lets deal with this idocy.
1. the historic comparison:
uhm... history matters when one is willing to understand it and learn from it and overcome the failures of the past.
Christians have in large part done this. Christians killed like crazy in centuries past. then came to an understanding that killing in the name of a God whos very Holy Scripture COMMMANDS THE OPPOSITE learned from both the scripture and from thier history.
Muslims on the other hand have been killing in the name of their god for the full length of their history. THey have killed in the name of their god at the command of thier prophet and at the demand of their holy scripture. TODAY. RIGHT NOW. THEIR BOOK TELLS THEM TO KILL. TODAY RIGHT NOW muslims the world over accept that Sharia commands them to fight actual wars for the cause of their god. There is NO REVIEW OF HISTORY that leads them to change from that course. NONE.
TODAY Christians do not kill in the name of Jesus anywhere without being utterly disavowed by ALL OF CHRISTIANDOM.
TODAY Tens of Thousands of Muslims will SEEK TO KILL IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD. They will do so with the full support of their holy scripture.
The difference between what the Christian God and the muslim god will do to those who are disobediant is as follows.
Jesus "Vengence is mine sayth the Lord. I will Repay"
allah "GO CUT THEIR HEADS OFF FOR ME"
good grief
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Now that's enough to question the entire religion right then and there.
__________________ "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
~Declaration of Independence
i got this far and had to stop reading. didnt want to break my computer screen.
so lets deal with this idocy.
1. the historic comparison:
uhm... history matters when one is willing to understand it and learn from it and overcome the failures of the past.
Christians have in large part done this. Christians killed like crazy in centuries past. then came to an understanding that killing in the name of a God whos very Holy Scripture COMMMANDS THE OPPOSITE learned from both the scripture and from thier history.
Muslims on the other hand have been killing in the name of their god for the full length of their history. THey have killed in the name of their god at the command of thier prophet and at the demand of their holy scripture. TODAY. RIGHT NOW. THEIR BOOK TELLS THEM TO KILL. TODAY RIGHT NOW muslims the world over accept that Sharia commands them to fight actual wars for the cause of their god. There is NO REVIEW OF HISTORY that leads them to change from that course. NONE.
TODAY Christians do not kill in the name of Jesus anywhere without being utterly disavowed by ALL OF CHRISTIANDOM.
TODAY Tens of Thousands of Muslims will SEEK TO KILL IN THE NAME OF THEIR GOD. They will do so with the full support of their holy scripture.
The difference between what the Christian God and the muslim god will do to those who are disobediant is as follows.
Jesus "Vengence is mine sayth the Lord. I will Repay"
allah "GO CUT THEIR HEADS OFF FOR ME"
good grief
Amen!
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~Declaration of Independence
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