Tithing…Is it a command? - Page 115

Originalist · #**1141** 11-17-2014, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Brother, this flip/ flop is a complete reversal by UNTRADITIONAL...he has other stuff that we have seen him do a complete reversal on.
This lets me know, that he is unsettled and should look at both sides of the coin carefully before it is flipped.

And such a radical flip flop at that. So is he now saying that he himself was in rebellion and practicing witchcraft when he held the view that tithing was not for the New Testament Church?

Jason B · #**1142** 11-17-2014, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by obriencp

Pastor Badejo, I'd love to get a copy if you do publish it.

It's amazing to go back over your notes and see what effort you put into things sometimes. The hard part can be whether or not you trust what you've previously done. I've re-researched stuff only to discover that I've come to the same exact conclusion and I could've saved a lot of effort if only I had trusted my previous studies. I suppose though, that it's good to periodically check where you stand on issues as the Lord has a way of bringing us to a better understanding of issues through our walk with Him.

I appreciate your kindness. I will send you the first chapter to see what you think.

You are completely right about looking over your notes. I know that my theology has "evolved" over the last few years but I was surprised by how close that book was with my current views, not only on tithing but also soteriology, theology, and ecclesiology.

But I agree it is good to check and see where we are. I've said over the last year that I am still in the formation stage of what I believe. (At one time I thought I had it ALL figured out). So I'm just following God as best I can. I feel pretty good about where I am on some doctrines and there are others (or wrinkles to others) I'd like to dig into more.

Tithing is probably one doctrine that I am most confident in. That's not to say I still couldn't learn a lot, especially digging into the Law, but as far as if we are required as Christians to give 10%, I think that is an easy question to settle if someone will just honestly consider the scripture. I don't even think its a debate.

Godsdrummer · #**1143** 11-17-2014, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Esphes45

Pray for me. I just want things done fast so we can get to the business of bringing people to God instead of fighting one another.

Some times the change that we are looking for requires leaving the status quo and moving on. I have known many that have left organizations that are now exploding in reaching the lost in unity in the groups they are now part of.

In my state one of the churches that left over the declaration statement that UPCI put forth went from a hundred people to running over 1500 and two services in just a few years. At the time, I was an associate minister in a UPCI church 25 miles north of this church and since I was good friends with the pastor that left I would stop and visit with him when I was close. One day I ask him if he felt he had lost any of the move of God since leaving UPCI. His response was come see for your self. A few couple of years later I had the opportunity. By that time they were running around a 1000. The moment I walked into the sanctuary I felt the power of God. And it just got better.
Here is the thing, the church I was attending at the time has grown by UPCI standards, they now run around 100+, but the church that left, run around 2500 today.
The point being that while UPCI churches and many like them are still quibbling over things like tithes, cut hair and pants on women and such things. Those that have left are reaching the thousands for the kingdom of God. Some times we just have to leave.
Abraham had to leave Ur before God could give him the promise of better things to come.
The nation Israel had to leave bondage of Egypt so God could give them the promise of the cross through the tabernacle.
Moses had to leave the palace of Pharaoh before God could call him to free Israel.
David had to leave his fathers house before he could become king, and the list could go on.
What does this have to do with tithe? Some times we have to leave the traditions of men to receive the blessing God has in store for us and his kingdom.

Rudy · #**1144** 11-17-2014, 09:50 AM

I know of a situation where the pastor had those that pay tithes to stand. Thus leaving the non-tithers exposed. I believe the 3rd time he told them to stand in the middle isle and tell the non-tithers they are going to hell.

There are some who have quit tithing because of the information found here on this forum. There seems to be a lot of visitors that frequent here. Why don't they join?

Rudy · #**1145** 11-17-2014, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

Some times the change that we are looking for requires leaving the status quo and moving on. I have known many that have left organizations that are now exploding in reaching the lost in unity in the groups they are now part of.

In my state one of the churches that left over the declaration statement that UPCI put forth went from a hundred people to running over 1500 and two services in just a few years. At the time, I was an associate minister in a UPCI church 25 miles north of this church and since I was good friends with the pastor that left I would stop and visit with him when I was close. One day I ask him if he felt he had lost any of the move of God since leaving UPCI. His response was come see for your self. A few couple of years later I had the opportunity. By that time they were running around a 1000. The moment I walked into the sanctuary I felt the power of God. And it just got better.
Here is the thing, the church I was attending at the time has grown by UPCI standards, they now run around 100+, but the church that left, run around 2500 today.
The point being that while UPCI churches and many like them are still quibbling over things like tithes, cut hair and pants on women and such things. Those that have left are reaching the thousands for the kingdom of God. Some times we just have to leave.
Abraham had to leave Ur before God could give him the promise of better things to come.
The nation Israel had to leave bondage of Egypt so God could give them the promise of the cross through the tabernacle.
Moses had to leave the palace of Pharaoh before God could call him to free Israel.
David had to leave his fathers house before he could become king, and the list could go on.
What does this have to do with tithe? Some times we have to leave the traditions of men to receive the blessing God has in store for us and his kingdom.

I'm all for leaving. We need to network and inform where these alternative assemblies are. A lot of homeless apostolics in the USA.

Godsdrummer · #**1146** 11-17-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudy

I'm all for leaving. We need to network and inform where these alternative assemblies are. A lot of homeless apostolics in the USA.

I have posted in times past that Global Net, is a great place to start, when looking for a church outside UPCI and others like them. But as can be seen on this forum alone. Many apostolics that have left have left over one or two small issues and are still deeply ingrained with many other issues that when they walk into one of these churches that have been out for years it is a cultural shock. It took me several years to completely leave all the trappings of my background. Had I not had times in my younger life that we attended churches in UPCI at that time that had more liberal stands on things like holiness, it might have taken me longer too.
Another thing is that it is hard for someone that has been ingrained in a cultish type of church where the pastor is the final authority to go to a church where the pastor or pastors are servants and do not usurp unscriptural authority.
That being said, it is kind of funny that while I do not believe tithe as taught in many churches today, and I don't tithe, but I do give as God directs me. (just yesterday my wife wrote two checks in the same service for $50) The church teaches tithe.