All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Sean

Jason, I will not judge the sincere trinitarians that you have described in the
recent posts. I have felt the same way about the multitudes that have given all to even get us our Bibles and freedoms to read it.

If they were not truly born again and died that way, they will miss the "catching away"(first resurrection), and stand before the Lord at the Great White Throne. They will be judged according to their works(knowledge of what they must do for themselves and God). I believe many will be saved there and all will be judged under the Law(non born again people). However, if they openly opposed ANY kind of truth as it was revealed in their lifetime, they will most likely be condemned there. It all comes down to the individual, and what they did with the knowledge they had in their lives.

The only way to "ensure" that we do not have to be judged at the GWT is to be saved the ACTS 2:38 way. This group will be part of the first resurrection. Apostolics are simply promoting to be saved by the Lord's PLAN A..... Plan B(GWT) is alot more risky to the individual.

I appreciate your conciliatory attitude but I can't see Biblical evidence that God has a salvation plan A & B. Despite the fact that Steve Epley and AR pastor are dead wrong and know their doctrine can't stand up to Biblical scrutiny, at least they are consistent in damning everyone to hell through the centuries until the 20th (and in their mind maybe the 1st &2nd, but anyone 3rd century through 19th, sorry for ya). Albeit they lack consistency in using trinitarian Bibles, Bible resources, songs, and even ecclesiology. They also condemn to hell even the trinitarians who have "obeyed Acts 2:38" being baptized in Jesus name and receiving the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. But since their godhead theology doesn't line up with Steve Epley then ........ them to hell. As if everyone who gets baptized in a oneness understands oneness theology.

Were not saved by mastering theology or Christology. We are saved through understanding and believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who bore the wrath of God on our behalf because of our sin and rebellion, He was crucified and buried, rose again the third day. If someone believes that and repents of their sins trusting in Christ alone for salvation they will be saved. Of course baptism should follow such faith and repentance, and most normally will.

Back to Epley and AR pastor, they even condemn people who HAVE "experienced" Acts 2:38 even by their standards of flimsy interpretation and believe in the oneness of God, but condemn those people because they believe trinitarians can be saved.

All the while they are blinded to the fact that their interpretation of Christianity damns 99% of all Christians (not unbelievers, but people who trusted in Christ and many times sealed that faith with their own blood) through the centuries.

While at the same time even damning to hell those who die as martyrs this very year in Egypt, Iran, Sudan, and the like. Got crucified for your faith publicly in 2014? Did you speak in tongues? Well sorry for you you should have just denied Christ and saved yourself crucifixion. Instead they just suffered a premature death and start the torments of hell early according to Epley and AR pastor.

To say nothing of all the standards they believe you must keep to be saved. Its nothing more than neo-phariseeism. They would have probably been offended that Jesus healed the man with a maimed hand on the Sabbath or that he forgave the woman caught in adultery had they lived in the 1st century. Self righteousness and religious arrogance is always ugly whether in Judaism or Christianity.

[AR Pastor]

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I appreciate your conciliatory attitude but I can't see Biblical evidence that God has a salvation plan A & B. Despite the fact that Steve Epley and AR pastor are dead wrong and know their doctrine can't stand up to Biblical scrutiny, at least they are consistent in damning everyone to hell through the centuries until the 20th (and in their mind maybe the 1st &2nd, but anyone 3rd century through 19th, sorry for ya). Albeit they lack consistency in using trinitarian Bibles, Bible resources, songs, and even ecclesiology. They also condemn to hell even the trinitarians who have "obeyed Acts 2:38" being baptized in Jesus name and receiving the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues. But since their godhead theology doesn't line up with Steve Epley then ........ them to hell. As if everyone who gets baptized in a oneness understands oneness theology.

Were not saved by mastering theology or Christology. We are saved through understanding and believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who bore the wrath of God on our behalf because of our sin and rebellion, He was crucified and buried, rose again the third day. If someone believes that and repents of their sins trusting in Christ alone for salvation they will be saved. Of course baptism should follow such faith and repentance, and most normally will.

Back to Epley and AR pastor, they even condemn people who HAVE "experienced" Acts 2:38 even by their standards of flimsy interpretation and believe in the oneness of God, but condemn those people because they believe trinitarians can be saved.

All the while they are blinded to the fact that their interpretation of Christianity damns 99% of all Christians (not unbelievers, but people who trusted in Christ and many times sealed that faith with their own blood) through the centuries.

While at the same time even damning to hell those who die as martyrs this very year in Egypt, Iran, Sudan, and the like. Got crucified for your faith publicly in 2014? Did you speak in tongues? Well sorry for you you should have just denied Christ and saved yourself crucifixion. Instead they just suffered a premature death and start the torments of hell early according to Epley and AR pastor.

To say nothing of all the standards they believe you must keep to be saved. Its nothing more than neo-phariseeism. They would have probably been offended that Jesus healed the man with a maimed hand on the Sabbath or that he forgave the woman caught in adultery had they lived in the 1st century. Self righteousness and religious arrogance is always ugly whether in Judaism or Christianity.

Are the other sects of Muslims they killed saved also?

[mfblume]

What gets me is that the apostles plainly preached nothing other than the direct command to repent, get baptized in Jesus' name and receive the Holy Ghost when they offered salvation. How in the world did things get away from that until people only demand acceptance of Jesus into their hearts, or to make Him their personal saviour? I mean, it's right there in black and white for all to read. Where did the other stuff come from about accepting and inviting and making Him one's saviour? It's no where in the bible!

It's like leaving someone a simple command on paper to build a house on a rock with boards, nails, windows and shingles. And then centuries later people are taking that letter and telling people to build houses on sand with sticks and twigs. How could it change THAT drastically? Wow.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Are the other sects of Muslims they killed saved also?

No. But they openly reject Jesus Christ and worship a false God. But I'm not surprised you can't see the difference between antichrists and those who accept Christ, follow Christ and then die for His names sake. All you can care about is are they part of your tiny sect. You can care less if they lived a godly life and sealed it in blood if their women trim their hair.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

No. But they openly reject Jesus Christ and worship a false God. But I'm not surprised you can't see the difference between antichrists and those who accept Christ, follow Christ and then die for His names sake. All you can care about is are they part of your tiny sect. You can care less if they lived a godly life and sealed it in blood if their women trim their hair.

WOW! Another mean spirited judgmental post. I may be wrong, but it looks like someone needs to go pray.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by mfblume

What gets me is that the apostles plainly preached nothing other than the direct command to repent, get baptized in Jesus' name and receive the Holy Ghost when they offered salvation. How in the world did things get away from that until people only demand acceptance of Jesus into their hearts, or to make Him their personal saviour? I mean, it's right there in black and white for all to read. Where did the other stuff come from about accepting and inviting and making Him one's saviour? It's no where in the bible!

It's like leaving someone a simple command on paper to build a house on a rock with boards, nails, windows and shingles. And then centuries later people are taking that letter and telling people to build houses on sand with sticks and twigs. How could it change THAT drastically? Wow.

First if your going to rail against my position at least state it correctly. All you're doing is building a straw man and knocking it down. I don't think I have even in my Christian life suggested some accept Christ/say the sinners prayer or any such thing. And neither do many people within Christianity. For example YouTube search "Declaring war on the sinners prayer". Oneness pentecostals have a hard time distinguishing between easy believism and Biblical conversion.

2)How could it change that drastically? Have you ever considered that perhaps salvation hasn't changed since the first century but rather the problem lies with a misunderstanding of an experience by Pentecostals 20 centuries later?

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

WOW! Another mean spirited judgmental post. I may be wrong, but it looks like someone needs to go pray.

So someone starts 3 threads over the years registering hundreds of posts, famously condemning ALL trinitarians in the history of the church, as "lost as two boys kissing", ignores all sacrifices and contributions of such Christians through the centuries and even condemns a large number of those who agree with him about salvation but maybe trim their hair, have a beard, a television, attend baseball games or any number of things that Epley and those elders of his who shaped his thinking deemed as worthy of eternal hell.
But....call them out on their legalistic phariseeism and you're the mean one. Maybe they've never read Matthew 23.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

How many oneness Pentecostals would say "I would gladly go to hell forever if it would save those trinitarians"?

Seems to be a lot more rejoicing over their damnation than a desire to see them saved.

Thankfully these oneness Pentecostals are wrong about this.

Bump

Or how many would say"crucify me in their place because I don't want them to go to hell"?

Their "love" is a one way street. If your a "brother" they love you, if not then you can literally "go to hell". What's the real difference between the GOP, the Democratic party, and the Oneness Pentecostals? They all have a sectarian "love" for one another but little love for those outside their circle.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

WOW! Another mean spirited judgmental post. I may be wrong, but it looks like someone needs to go pray.

Nevermind. I just remembered who you are. You and I discussed your about the evils of shorts. God forbid a man where a pair of basketball shorts. Surely only a reprobate would do so.