Thad Cochran voter fraud allegations

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by n david

It's official. CNN reporting:

"State Sen. Chris McDaniel's campaign served papers to Cochran's son, Clayton, with notice of intent to challenge the results, citing allegations of improper crossover voting."

"The challenge was filed with the state Republican Party executive committee, as required by law, the Clarion-Ledger reported, and an official court challenge could come as early as next week."

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Interesting point towards the bottom of the story:



True the Vote has sued for full access to the voting records, including DOBs and SS#s, so they can do just what Levitt is saying...sift through the identical names or DOBs to accurately verify if there were illegal votes cast, and how many illegal votes were cast.

I always expect some level of voter fraud. The thing that disturbs me more is the race baiting robocall paid for by Haley Barbour's Citizens for Progress. That is just really a low-down, low-life way to win an election.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

I've spent a while reading various liberal blogs to see why McDaniel's has been labeled a racist. Most are the same complaint over and over.

1) Hip Hop

McDaniel had the audacity to blame gun violence on hip hop. O. M. G. The nerve of this guy!

Here's what McDaniel said:

"The reason Canada is breaking out with brand new gun violence has nothing to do with the United States and guns. It has everything to do with a culture that is morally bankrupt. What kind of culture is that? It's called hip hop."

"Name a redeeming quality of hip hop. I want to know anything about hip hop that has been good for this country. And it's not---before you get carried away---this has nothing to do with race. Because there are just as many hip hopping white kids and Asian kids as there are hip hopping black kids. It's a problem of a culture that values prison more than college; a culture that values rap and destruction of community values more than it does poetry; a culture that can't stand education. It's that culture that can't get control of itself."

Now, JD, where is the racism in this? Please show me where this is racist. That was "evidence" of McDaniel's racism on several blogs. Talking Points Memo, Slate, and a couple others I found.

BTW, I completely agree and applaud his comments on this. It's absolutely true. It's a culture. It has nothing to do with race.

2) McDaniel and the Sons of Confederate Veterans

The same liberal blogs have tried making SCV into a racist organization. SCV was founded in (IIRC) 1896. One requirement for membership is having to be a descendant of a Confederate soldier.

Look, like it or not, there was a Confederate army. And like it or not, there are still people who descended from those soldiers who want to honor their sacrifice. The overwhelming majority of people in SCV are honest people who are not racist. In fact, in early 2000s, there were extremists trying to take over the organization, but they were unsuccessful.

It's like liberals see the word "Confederate" and assume it's a bunch of neo-nazi skinhead racists. Not everything named "Confederate" is like that.

3) McDaniel and slave reparations

According to Slate, McDaniel once threated to stop paying taxes if reparations were ever passed.

"If they pass reparations, and my taxes are going up, I ain't paying taxes. Isn't that sad? And believe me I have the greatest respect for the IRS. I fear the IRS. Fear. Fear. How you gonna make me pay for something that I had nothing to do with? How you gonna do that to me? I don't get it."

Again, where is the racism in those comments? He made a valid point. Forget that it's about reparations, pretend it's about obamacare penalty tax. No one would have cared if he said it about obamacare. But because it's about slave reparations, well, it's automatically racist because he didn't agree with it.

4) Compared Vanilla Ice to minstrel shows

"Now look, minstrel shows were very offensive because what you had was a white guy dressed as a black guy and acting black, kinda like Vanilla Ice did in the 80s. That's kinda what he was doing, except he didn't have the blackface on and if he had it on he woulda been in trouble. You don't want to do that. It's never good to make fun of somebody's race merely because of the race."

This is becoming ridiculous. Again, show me the racism in that remark? He says minstrel shows were "very offensive" and that it's "never good to make fun of somebody's race." Yet this comment is deemed racist by the Talking Points Memo? Are they serious?

5) Mamacita

This is a load of tripe, it really is. Now TPM says he's racist for talking about the word "Mamacita."

"Mamacita works. You say that at the wrong place and the wrong time you will get beat down. Mamacita. It's not a bad word. It's indicative. I think it basically means -- I'm an English-speaking Anglo. I have no idea what it means, actually, but I've said it a few times, just for, you know, fun. And I think it basically means, 'Hey, hot mama.' Or, you know, 'You're a fine looking young thing.' It's a Rolling Stones song is what it is."

Let's play "Find the racism in that quote!" Apparently I'm racist, cause before I was married, I dated some mamacita's. My church is 90% latino, the block we live on is 98% latino. Our family and one other couple are the only white folk on the block. I've heard the word used a lot. And McDaniel is right, in the wrong setting you can get beat down for using the word, but it's a word used a lot.

Interestingly, TPM mentions it briefly, but McDaniel pulled out of a speaking appearance due to a noted white supremacist who was a vendor at the event. Of course, he's still a racist, cause he told the truth about hip hop.

That about covers what I've read and heard about McDaniel's alleged racism. It's overblown and completely wrong.

n David,
The FACT is, the only reason you were able to find this much concerning McDaniel proves the truth behind my statement.

"McDaniel has a racial reputation in the State of Mississippi."

He smells like smoke.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

Check the history. Rap came out of Hip Hop, not vice versa. And it's absurd to claim it's not violent.

People were "rapping" in the early 70's and even earlier.

The first "Hip-hop" record was recorded in 1979, and it had rap on it. However, they were rappers BEFORE they were "Hip Hop" artists (Sugar Hill Gang).


Here are some links concerning Rap and Rappers that pre-date 1979.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Scott-Heron

[Jermyn Davidson]

The Pigmeat Markham track is very funny. The Gil Scott-Heron track is good to go. Millie Jackson is not wholesome.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I always expect some level of voter fraud.

For this election, the margin that Cochran won by is too big for his victory to be attributed to fraud alone.

He shold have humbly conceded a while ago.

[Jermyn Davidson]

In politics, reputation means so much.

For example, Sarah Palin has a reputation of being "ding-y".

Is she really a stupid, ignorant, unlearned person? No, she isn't.

But her reputation is such that she is considered to be stupid. Her presence on a national political ticket right now would be suicide politically. She still has influence with some, but not enough to get over her reputation.

McDaniel has a racial reputation problem-- one that ultimately cost him his election.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

n David,
The FACT is, the only reason you were able to find this much concerning McDaniel proves the truth behind my statement.

"McDaniel has a racial reputation in the State of Mississippi."

He smells like smoke.

Uhm, no. It's just libtard bloggers trying to make racism where there is none.

I asked a question at the end of each paragraph, which you didn't answer. Please, point out the actual racism in those statements he made. The only one's claiming racism are left wing biased bloggers. Liberal Democrats who stop at nothing to try and manufacture racism where there is none.

Please, by all means, point out the racism above.

[n david]

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Hip Hop came first. Out of that came DJ, MCing, rap, etc.

Rap Hip-Hop Timeline 1970-1989

1970 line
The Last Poets release their eponymous debut album. It's combination of spare funk and aggressive, socially-conscious spoken word will be an early brick in the foundation of what would come to be hip-hop.

James Brown releases 'The Big Payback', an early funk gem that emphasizes the groove rather than melody over his aggressively spoken vocals.

A young immigrant from Kingston, Jamaica named Clive Campbell begins deejaying at local parties. As DJ Kool Herc, he invents a new technique of deejaying that would cut two of the same records and extend the middle instrumental, or 'break,' of the popular funk and disco songs of the day.

1972 line
DJ Hollywood, a club DJ from Manhattan; begins rhyming over popular disco hits at his trendy night spots. It is alleged that Hollywood coins the term 'hip-hop' though some say his partner, Lovebug Starski, came up with the term.

1974 line
A former gang member-turned-DJ named Afrika Bambaataa meets a young grafitti artist named Fab 5 Freddy; a regular on the burgeoning hip-hop scene. Soon after, Bambaataa forms the Zulu Nation and catagorizes what he calls the 'Four Elements' of hip-hop: DJing, Breaking, Graf Artists and MCing

1975 line
DJ Kool Herc coins the term break-boy to describe dancers that would dance during his extended breaks in the music. Soon, the term is shortened to b-boy and the style is called 'breakdancing.' Herc also takes an up-and-coming DJ named Grandmaster Flash under his wings.

Grandmaster Flash begins working on a new, revolutionary technique of DJing: In addition to extending the break of a song, he begins mixing bits of two different songs together. Using headphones, he's able to get the songs to overlap and connect. His new 'mixing' technique would be adopted by every hip-hop DJ to follow.

Flash's partner, Mean Gene, has a thirteen-year-old-brother named Theodore that is also beginning to DJ at local parties. After accidently sliding the record under the needle; a young Grand Wizard Theodore takes DJing a step forward by pushing the record back and forth lightly under the needle during breaks. He calls his new technique 'scratching.'

1976 line
A group of party promoters called the Force stumble across a young DJ named Kool DJ Kurt. One particularly bold and aggressive member of the Force is a young man named Russell Simmons.

1977 line
The legendary Rock Steady Crew of breakdancers is founded in the Bronx.

The Crash Crew, one of the first recorded MC crews, forms in Harlem.

Russell "Rush" Simmons moves the Force to Queens and convinces Kool DJ Kurt to begin rapping. Simmons decides to change Kurt's name to Kurtis Blow and enlists his kid brother, Joey, to be Kurt's DJ. Joey changes his name to 'DJ Run.'

1978 line
DJing, up to this point the primary force in hip-hop, begins to take a backseat to MCing.

1979 line
The Cold Crush Brothers form after Almight KG meets DJ Charlie Chase.

Wendy Clark aka 'Lady B' begins spinning hip-hop records on WHAT 1340 AM in Philadelphia;furthering hip-hop's expansion outside of New York. Later that year, she also becomes one of hip-hop's first female artists when she releases "To the Beat Y'all."

The Funky Four+One is forms with one of hip-hop's first female MCs, Sha Rock.

The funk band Fatback releases 'King Tim III (Personality Jock).' Though it doesn't gain much attention, it is the first mainstream rap single.

Under manager Russell Simmons, Kurtis Blow becomes the first rapper to sign a record deal with a major label.

Sylvia Robinson founds Sugarhill Records and, after hearing a bootleg of The Cold Crush Brothers, decides to put together a rap group called 'The Sugarhill Gang.'

The Sugarhill Gang releases 'Rapper's Delight.' Built on a sample of Chic's disco hit 'Good Times' and written by Grandmaster Caz of the Cold Crush Brothers, it goes on to become hip-hop's first hit and mainstream America's first exposure to rap music.

In order to capitalize on the growth of MCing in hip-hop, Grandmaster Flash recruits three of his friends, Keith "Cowboy" Wiggins, Melvin "Melle Mel" and Nathaniel "Kid Creole" Glover, who perform as The 3 MCs. Soon, they add Guy "Raheim" Williams and Eddie "Scorpio" Morris and change their name to Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.

[Jermyn Davidson]

n David,
I never said McDaniel was indeed a racist, only that he has a racial reputation in the State of Mississippi.

I thought by drawing the comparison to Sarah Palin you could see the situation McDaniel has put himself in when it comes to reputation.

The Barbour-sponsored "robo-call" couldn't have even worked if McDaniel didn't at least have the reputation connected to his name.

He could have tried to fix all that BEFORE this election, but either he never tried to fix it or he never was succesful at it.

In the situations you have brought up, he may have been wrong about labelling Hip-Hop as violent, and his appearance at the "Sons" doesn't endear him to me, but I don't think he is a card-carrying klansman either and I never portrayed him as such.

However, his reputation remains and because of his reputation, he smells of smoke.

[Jermyn Davidson]

I posted a Rapper from 1968.

Dude, the first Hip-Hop album was recorded in 1979- thus the begining of Hip-Hop as a recognized genre.

If I wanted to, I could show you documentation of the origins of Rap going back to ancient Africa!

Just drop it because it like I already told PO, the point itself has nothing to do with the real issues being discussed.


Even your first line from 1970 speaks of Hip-Hop coming... in the future!