Pastors forced to perform same-sex marriages

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Well why and how are they saying its a constitutional right? Isnt equality and liberty a constitutional right?

All men are according to our declaration of Independence created equal. No one was created gay that is a choice.

We do have liberty but even there limits are seen you cannot walk into a store take what you want and leave without paying for it. You cannot kill someone simply because you don't like them you cannot even have multiple wives. The rights of the american citizens are found in the bill of rights. Please show me from the bill of rights the right to homosexual unions.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

All men are according to our declaration of Independence created equal. No one was created gay that is a choice.

All men are created equal. Unless you are gay. Then you dont get equal rights. They said the same thing during the civil war era to justify blacks being slaves. All white men are created equal. Blacks not so much.

You cannot kill someone simply because you don't like them you cannot even have multiple wives. The rights of the american citizens are found in the bill of rights. Please show me from the bill of rights the right to homosexual unions

Again with trying to lump things that arent relevant with gay marriage. Killing someone is a crime. Being gay isnt.

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

All men are created equal. Unless you are gay. Then you dont get equal rights. They said the same thing during the civil war era to justify blacks being slaves. All white men are created equal. Blacks not so much.

People are born black people are not born gay. The one there is no choice involed and you cannot change the other is a choice and there is change possible.

As to the underlined area the same could be said of pedophiles. All are created equal unless you are a pedophile.

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Again with trying to lump things that arent relevant with gay marriage. Killing someone is a crime. Being gay isnt.

Not trying to lump anything togather i was simply pointing out that there are limits to liberty.

Nice job side stepping the bill of rights.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Luke

All men are according to our declaration of Independence created equal. No one was created gay that is a choice.

We do have liberty but even there limits are seen you cannot walk into a store take what you want and leave without paying for it. You cannot kill someone simply because you don't like them you cannot even have multiple wives. The rights of the american citizens are found in the bill of rights. Please show me from the bill of rights the right to homosexual unions.

People can indeed be born with tendencies or brain wiring that can lead to homosexuality, based on the fetal environment the mother provides. If she is very emotionally unstable or goes through an extra-emotionally taxing situation during the pregnancy, the hormones released during her time of extra emotional stress can help predispose a person for their brain to develop pre-wired for homosexual stuff.


The brain becomes "hard-wired" usually when a BOY begins puberty-- way too young to be able to be in control of what's happening inside them.

Then the boy struggles with what's going on inside in silence because of guilt and fear when a father's (and maybe even a community's) unconditional love and acceptance is what the boy really needs AFTER he opens up and tells people what's going on.


In essence, people can be born gay and people are born predisposed to sin in general.


The Bible calls for us to all to be born again.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Luke

People are born black people are not born gay. The one there is no choice involed and you cannot change the other is a choice and there is change possible.

As to the underlined area the same could be said of pedophiles. All are created equal unless you are a pedophile.




Not trying to lump anything togather i was simply pointing out that there are limits to liberty.

Nice job side stepping the bill of rights.

Allowing women to vote, laws agaist slavery, laws allowing inter racial marriage, werent in the bill of rights either. Do those need to go?

Again, why do you keep comparing pedophiles to two adults who are of age? Its lame and makes you look uneducated.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

People can indeed be born with tendencies or brain wiring that can lead to homosexuality, based on the fetal environment the mother provides. If she is very emotionally unstable or goes through an extra-emotionally taxing situation during the pregnancy, the hormones released during her time of extra emotional stress can help predispose a person for their brain to develop pre-wired for homosexual stuff.


The brain becomes "hard-wired" usually when a BOY begins puberty-- way too young to be able to be in control of what's happening inside them.

Then the boy struggles with what's going on inside in silence because of guilt and fear when a father's (and maybe even a community's) unconditional love and acceptance is what the boy really needs AFTER he opens up and tells people what's going on.


In essence, people can be born gay and people are born predisposed to sin in general.


The Bible calls for us to all to be born again.

Exactly. There are two types of gay. Born that way and people who did it because they either wanted to try it or thought it was cool. The bible teaches were are all born sinners. We have no choice. How else can you explain it?

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Its funny how everyone wants to beat the drum of us being born sinners. Yet when it comes to homosexuality, its a choice.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Its funny how everyone wants to beat the drum of us being born sinners. Yet when it comes to homosexuality, its a choice.

It's hard to have compassion for a sinner or Christian caught up in a situation or besetting sin that you simply cannot comprehend.

[Fionn mac Cumh]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

It's hard to have compassion for a sinner or Christian caught up in a situation or besetting sin that you simply cannot comprehend.

Hopefully I dont get to graphic when I say this. But being with a women is awesome. I dont know why any man would want to be with a man unless they really was something wrong with them from birth. Why just choose to do that?

[Luke]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Allowing women to vote, laws agaist slavery, laws allowing inter racial marriage, werent in the bill of rights either. Do those need to go?

Again, why do you keep comparing pedophiles to two adults who are of age? Its lame and makes you look uneducated.

There is no scientific evidence that poves that people are born gay none. If there was then it would be cited on a daily basis.

Gender is determined at birth and ethnicity is determined at birth neither is a in any way a choice.

Both pediphilia and homosexuality are deviant and destructive sexual behaviors.

For the sake of argument even if people were born gay does that give them special rights and exemptions? Fo illustration what about a baby that's mother did drugs and is born addicted to drugs does that give that individual the right to use illegal drugs throughout their life?