Women Preachers

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Sheila

We are not under the Law, we are under grace.
Galatians 3:25, 5:18, Romans 6:14-15
We follow the commandments out of love for our God and not because of law
Teach love with forgiveness, charity and compassion.

Shall we sin because we are under grace and not under law? God forbid!

In any event, the apostle Paul said one of the Lord's commandments was for women to keep silent in the church.

[Esaias]

Is it POSSIBLE that a 'woman preacher' is violating the commandment of the Lord about women being silent in the churches?

Yes, it is POSSIBLE.

Is it POSSIBLE that a woman who does NOT preach, and does NOT speak out in the churches, is violating the commandment of the Lord about women being silent in the churches?

No, it is NOT possible.

If a woman is silent in the churches, she is not violating any command of scripture.
If a woman is NOT silent in the churches, she MAY BE violating a command of scripture.

Think about it.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Aquila

In my mind... a Judge was like a Sherriff or prosecutor. More of a political position. And if memory serves me correctly... it was because no man would rise up to the challenge. Her function was an open rebuke to the weak men among the Israelites.

You don't believe God called those women? If so, then they weren't in that kind of power because no men were rising to the challenge. God's will be done in all things. He's not so powerless that He can't find a man to do any job He wills.

If not, then you have to believe they put themselves into that position, and it begs the question, why did God speak through them if He didn't put themselves into those positions?

A judge wasn't anything like a sheriff or prosecutor. They judged all matters, even spiritual ones. They were called on by kings and priests to give a Word from God. If a man was needed, there were priests that were willing and able and also called of God to do His will.

[Sasha]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Paul gave the reasons:

"for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law."

"for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

"For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression."

No other reasons are needed. It has nothing to do with individual ability, intelligence, or any such thing. It has everything to do with proper Divinely instituted order in the church.

Please cite the law in scripture.

[Sasha]

Men to instructed to 'study to be quiet'. When does that happen?? LOL!

[shag]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Please cite the law in scripture.

Paul said it, not Esaias...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by ILG

I seriously doubt there was not one man in all of Israel who did not want that job. That's not even natural.

True. But perhaps in all the men of Israel, none were pure enough in their spirit for God to call them to the duty.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by ILG

Those of you who think women are not supposed to speak in the assembly, what reason do you think the Bible (supposedly) gave for this? Do women's brains just not work quite right and so they can't effectively have anything worthwhile to say? I know you don't believe that is true, but just wondering what logical reason there could be for this dogmatic view?

I believe a woman can speak in the assembly... as long as she's under her elder's authority to do so, and has her husband's blessing. However, I don't believe she can hold the office of pastor/bishop/overseer/elder... whatever we'd like to call it. It's not because a woman is incapable. It's not because a woman isn't intelligent enough to do it. It's simply because it upsets the divine order of the family. Think about it, if a woman were a pastor... her husband would be REQUIRED to spiritually submit to her. That completely derails a husband being "head of the wife". It would be God contradicting Himself. In addition... God gave no set requirements for women being overseers. God did give us the set requirements for men being overseers. For example, an overseer must be "the husband of one wife". If you're a married woman, you have a "husband"... unless you married a woman. lol

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Sasha

You don't believe God called those women? If so, then they weren't in that kind of power because no men were rising to the challenge. God's will be done in all things. He's not so powerless that He can't find a man to do any job He wills.

If not, then you have to believe they put themselves into that position, and it begs the question, why did God speak through them if He didn't put themselves into those positions?

A judge wasn't anything like a sheriff or prosecutor. They judged all matters, even spiritual ones. They were called on by kings and priests to give a Word from God. If a man was needed, there were priests that were willing and able and also called of God to do His will.

You make many good points. However, the same law that they operated under allowed a man to have more than one wife... and to have concubines. The NT is a superior covenant. It has higher standards. It perfectly reflects God's will for mankind. The Law doesn't. So... even if God specifically called women to serve as judges in the OT... it doesn't mean that God will call women to be elders in the NT.

Can you give me where God set the requirements for female elders? The requirements for male elders is stated twice in the NT. If God desired women elders... where are their requirements???

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Sasha

Men to instructed to 'study to be quiet'. When does that happen?? LOL!

LOL!