Domestic Terrorism Question

[Jermyn Davidson]

If bin laden was an American, who has eluded capture, but was found to be hiding out in Salt Lake City, would it be ok for the government to kill him, once they found him?

Does anyone here remember Waco?
Was Dave Koresh murdered by the American government?

[supertone]

It's interesting that because people wear a uniform, they believe that murder is an appropriate course of action to take in any circumstance.

As a serving member I truly hope to never be in a situation where I'd have to shoot at someone but I would do it if my life or others were in jeopardy. If the person was unarmed, I'd never shoot at them.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If bin laden was an American, who has eluded capture, but was found to be hiding out in Salt Lake City, would it be ok for the government to kill him, once they found him?

Does anyone here remember Waco?
Was Dave Koresh murdered by the American government?

The current administration is not ruling that out.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...nee-88507.html

Snippet: Paul's gambit initially surprised the Senate, many members of which had been prepared to vote to confirm Brennan to take over the spy agency earlier Wednesday. But as the day wore on, several of Paul's colleagues — as well as one Democrat — joined him to attack the Obama administration for its refusal to positively rule out the use of drones against Americans in the U.S. or to disclose more information about drones.

But let's say bin laden was a saudi and still alive and hiding out in Salt Lake City....would it still be ok to annihilate him using a drone on American soil?

We are headed for very dangerous times.

[Dedicated Mind]

wall street journal responds to rand paul and jermyn question

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...googlenews_wsj

[odooley6985]

Did Lincoln try every rebel that was killed during the civil war? This is a serious question. No trolling.

[Dedicated Mind]

good article on scope of war on terror. law authorizes war on al qaeda not all terror groups.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2823450.html

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

If bin laden was an American, who has eluded capture, but was found to be hiding out in Salt Lake City, would it be ok for the government to kill him, once they found him?

Does anyone here remember Waco?
Was Dave Koresh murdered by the American government?

Re bin Ladin: as your hypothetical suggests, IF bin laden was a US citizen it would be against the Constitution's 5th, 6th and 8th Amendment to assassinate him. As Rand Paul pointed out, the Constitution [Law] is in place for when democracy fails and someone evil is elected.

Originally Posted by odooley6985

Did Lincoln try every rebel that was killed during the civil war? This is not a serious question. Just trolling.

FIFY

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by n david

Re bin Ladin: as your hypothetical suggests, IF bin laden was a US citizen it would be against the Constitution's 5th, 6th and 8th Amendment to assassinate him. As Rand Paul pointed out, the Constitution [Law] is in place for when democracy fails and someone evil is elected.


FIFY

n'david I don't know which law gives authority to designate enemy combatants and whether US citizens can be designated. that is the issue of the huffpost article I posted. enemy combatant means you have rejected your constitutional rights.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

n'david I don't know which law gives authority to designate enemy combatants and whether US citizens can be designated. that is the issue of the huffpost article I posted. enemy combatant means you have rejected your constitutional rights.

"Enemy combatant" was only used because Bush wanted to subvert Geneva Conv. and hold "enemy combatants" in Gitmo. I would say it was NEVER meant to include US citizens. However, precedent was set with Bush and has been expanded on by Obama to include US citizens. Yes, I blame W for starting this.

[odooley6985]

Originally Posted by n david

"Enemy combatant" was only used because Bush wanted to subvert Geneva Conv. and hold "enemy combatants" in Gitmo. I would say it was NEVER meant to include US citizens. However, precedent was set with Bush and has been expanded on by Obama to include US citizens. Yes, I blame W for starting this.

Please explain