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05-21-2007, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
There is NO argument about Pharaoh (who was a wonderful saint I guess) put the ring on Joseph who was indeed a saint and a chain on his neck. But this has nothing to do with the parable in Luke 15.
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actually he put the ring on his finger...you don't put a neclace on a hand
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05-21-2007, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
If I understand 1 Peter 3:3 to be a prohibition of wearing any gold ,or any plaiting of the hair , then putting on of apparel is forbiden as well.I think 1 TIM.2:9 and 1 Peter 3:3 are saying that women what wear on the outside is not where their true beauty comes from ,but their real beauty comes from being adorned in a meek and quiet spirit and being adorned with that which is becometh women professing Godliness with good works.
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A close study reveals that this redundant conclusion is bogus.
Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
With respect to apparel, Peter is saying that we should not let our outward adorning be that of apparel that adorns. In other words..fancy dress.
In the Greek, the over used liberal conclusion and argument falls short of the truth and in no wise suggests that fancy hair and wearing gold is acceptable here.
Paul's teaching in 1 Tim 2:9 runs parallel in symphonic tandem and dispels any notion that 1 Peter 3:3 gives allowance by way of any short sighted liberal notions and craftiness.
1 Tim 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
I realize that this bumps up against the whole Pentecostal Dog and Pony show, but I didn't write it.
If it had been left up to me, I would have said:
Bring out Foo Foo the flipping poodle, but somehow I'm thankful that his ways are not man's ways.
To him Gold is what you walk on.
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05-21-2007, 11:47 PM
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Genesis 11:10
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Originally Posted by Thad
that's something I had not considered. I am thinking that it would still be thought of as Ornaments whereas a watch serves as a function ?
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so does a wedding ring, a tie clip, and alligator shoes.
ARPH
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05-21-2007, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
actually he put the ring on his finger...you don't put a neclace on a hand
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I am NOT saying it is a necklace but rather a strap placed on the hand used for sealing documents. Not an ornament.
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05-21-2007, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Again by your own definition it could have very well be a ring on a strap and NOT a finger ring at all. So your own defined word knocks your argument down. But in the parable do you think the ring is for ornamenation or acceptance????
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It was either a necklace (worn around the neck) or a finger ring. Now, according to what I posted that is what a signet ring was, however in this case the greek is a finger ring AND they put the ring ON his hand, not around his neck. either way it is an ornament. It's just as much an ornament as a wedding ring is, which also has purpose
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05-21-2007, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
I am NOT saying it is a necklace but rather a strap placed on the hand used for sealing documents. Not an ornament.
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according to what I just posted brother, a signet was either worn ON the finger or AROUND the neck on a cord.
Oh, using your logic here a wedding band is NOT an ornament but is used to show someone is married
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05-21-2007, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
according to what I just posted brother, a signet was either worn ON the finger or AROUND the neck on a cord.
Oh, using your logic here a wedding band is NOT an ornament but is used to show someone is married
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Then allow me to design the ring and we will find out if it is an ornament or not.
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05-21-2007, 11:52 PM
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Thad,
If God melts my Titanium band off my hand,( opps, I meant finger) third degree burns or not, I will stop wearing it to communicate that I'm married. LOL!
Wear did you here this?? Pentecostal Enquirer?
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05-21-2007, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Theophilus
Thad,
If God melts my Titanium band off my hand,( opps, I meant finger) third degree burns or not, I will stop wearing it to communicate that I'm married. LOL!
Wear did you here this?? Pentecostal Enquirer?
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It happened once that I know of at the First Apostolic Church at Tulsa, OK. where the late C. P. Williams pastored. I heard the story from more than one who was there the ring broke in several pieces and fell off the sister's hand. She had just told her husband not even God could take the wedding ring off her hand. But it fell apart and she screamed to the top of her lungs.
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05-22-2007, 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
It happened once that I know of at the First Apostolic Church at Tulsa, OK. where the late C. P. Williams pastored. I heard the story from more than one who was there the ring broke in several pieces and fell off the sister's hand. She had just told her husband not even God could take the wedding ring off her hand. But it fell apart and she screamed to the top of her lungs.
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What Christian would say such a thing? Sounds very suspect?
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