Can THIS GUY minister on your platform .... - Page 6

berkeley · #51 05-20-2007, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Answer the question guys. Should he make it clear that getting your face tattooed is wrong? Yes or no? Should he publicly renounce it?

when and where? at the church where he was converted? at every church he preaches at?

Praxeas · #52 05-20-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley

when and where? at the church where he was converted? at every church he preaches at?

Im just asking if he should. Yes or no. Good grief lol. No music yet. Someone cue up the music.

Praxeas · #53 05-20-2007, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

If the same is required .... by all ministers ... in the church .... for all of their past sins ... yes ....

Should he publicly renounce getting tattoos like that or not?

If it was me, me personally, I really could not care less if other ministers were required to do anything. We are not talking about requirements. You guys sure like to play with that question and not answer it. But I would. I would do it, if I believed it was wrong. Because since everyone will see me I would not want the kids to think that I believe it is ok. They may never know my history of drug use, but even that I would use that as a testimony and make sure the kids knew it was wrong, particularly if they knew I was a drug user.

If some preacher gets up and says "I used to smoke Pot", thereby letting everyone know this is what he did, I would expect him to renounce it under the same breath. In the same vein, I would expect someone covered with Tattoos to at some point declare his views that they are wrong. That is often WHY we have ex druggies speak, so they can tell you it's wrong and don't do like I did.

SDG · #54 05-20-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Should he publicly renounce getting tattoos like that or not?

If it was me, me personally, I really could not care less if other ministers were required to do anything. We are not talking about requirements. You guys sure like to play with that question and not answer it. But I would. I would do it, if I believed it was wrong. Because since everyone will see me I would not want the kids to think that I believe it is ok. They may never know my history of drug use, but even that I would use that as a testimony and make sure the kids knew it was wrong, particularly if they knew I was a drug user.

If some preacher gets up and says "I used to smoke Pot", thereby letting everyone know this is what he did, I would expect him to renounce it under the same breath. In the same vein, I would expect someone covered with Tattoos to at some point declare his views that they are wrong. That is often WHY we have ex druggies speak, so they can tell you it's wrong and don't do like I did.

What if your face was burned ...from freebasing .. like Richard Pryor ... would you renounce it also???

berkeley · #55 05-20-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Hey, can someone play some music here while *** and Dan do their little dance?

remove name from post please.. thanx

berkeley · #56 05-20-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

What if your face was burned ...from freebasing .. like Richard Pryor ... would you renounce it also???

That is not the same thing!! He could renounce drugs.. but not his face!!

berkeley · #57 05-20-2007, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Should he publicly renounce getting tattoos like that or not?

If it was me, me personally, I really could not care less if other ministers were required to do anything. We are not talking about requirements. You guys sure like to play with that question and not answer it. But I would. I would do it, if I believed it was wrong. Because since everyone will see me I would not want the kids to think that I believe it is ok. They may never know my history of drug use, but even that I would use that as a testimony and make sure the kids knew it was wrong, particularly if they knew I was a drug user.

If some preacher gets up and says "I used to smoke Pot", thereby letting everyone know this is what he did, I would expect him to renounce it under the same breath. In the same vein, I would expect someone covered with Tattoos to at some point declare his views that they are wrong. That is often WHY we have ex druggies speak, so they can tell you it's wrong and don't do like I did.

well, we are on the same page now!! =p

MissBrattified · #58 05-20-2007, 06:38 PM

I've known quite a few ministers with tattoos left over from the service and other odd reasons...and I've never known the organization to ask them to have them removed before they could hold license or pastor....(granted, this guy is much more extreme than a ship anchor and "mama"...LOL!!!)

I think that in order to overcome preconceived ideas, and set parents at ease, he would have to clarify that it was pre-conversion in some way, every time he spoke to a new audience. JMO. Otherwise folks would be put off, and wondering if he's advocating body art to their kids.

I really don't think surgery is the way to go, though. It can leave scarring that is just as disfiguring as the tattoos, especially if the tattoos cover so much of an area.

tamor · #59 05-20-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I've known quite a few ministers with tattoos left over from the service and other odd reasons...and I've never known the organization to ask them to have them removed before they could hold license or pastor....(granted, this guy is much more extreme than a ship anchor and "mama"...LOL!!!)

I think that in order to overcome preconceived ideas, and set parents at ease, he would have to clarify that it was pre-conversion in some way, every time he spoke to a new audience. JMO. Otherwise folks would be put off, and wondering if he's advocating body art to their kids.

I really don't think surgery is the way to go, though. It can leave scarring that is just as disfiguring as the tattoos, especially if the tattoos cover so much of an area.

Good post.

MissBrattified · #60 05-20-2007, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

If the same is required .... by all ministers ... in the church .... for all of their past sins ... yes ....

I don't think it's about being "fair", Daniel. Any good preacher or teacher knows that you won't get your message across if your audience is holding you at arms length for any reason. The first thing you have to do is set folks at ease, and make them like you. (Or at least give them a reason to hear what you have to say, and not give them any reason to turn a deaf ear.)

Since this is very visible and everyone will see it everytime, then I would say some sort of disclaimer would be in order, unless alienating the audience is the intended goal.

You can't influence someone and offend them at the same time. So if there is something about you that you know causes offense, and its something you can't help or change, then an explanation will be necessary, whether it is fair or not.